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  1. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The point Right Divider is making here is that stating that there isn't any indication that it wasn't global ignores the fact that it affirmatively states that it was global. Your statement is like standing in a room with the lights on and saying that there's no indication that the light is...
  2. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Speculation is terrific. It can really be super useful, even in a purely scientific endeavor. The problem comes when the scientist gets speculation confused with observational science and starts pretending like they're the same thing, which seems to be the basic premise that the Discovery...
  3. Clete

    Is death just another life?

    Not according to the context it doesn't mean that at all. According to James, "works" means.... "enduring temptation" (James 1:12) being "swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (James 1:19) "laying aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness" (James 1:21) Meekness (James 1:21) being...
  4. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    It's almost as if the folks over at the Thunderbolts Project have been reading this thread.....
  5. Clete

    Fasting thread

    That's what I keep hearing. I guess I'm just not that motivated to do it yet. You may aleady know this but from what I've learned, the reason you stop being hungry is primarily because your body switches fuel. It goes from burning carbs for fuel to burning fat and, as you say, your stomach...
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    Fasting thread

    Fasting is about the best way to lose weight that I've ever experienced. I've started restricting my eating to six hours a day (2pm - 8pm) on most days and occasionally (once or twice a week) I'll skip eating that day entirely. I've lost 18 pounds so far and it doesn't just jump right back on...
  7. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    I'm actually quite surprised to hear that main stream science actually acknowledges the existence of quantized redshift in the first place! I wonder what ad hoc rescue device they'll come up with the keep from having to throw the entire Big Bang theory right in the trash heap of history where...
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    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    From the article sited above.... "The groups of redshifts would be distinct from each other only if our viewing location is less than a million light years from the centre." That premise is based on the validity of a previous premise stated three sentences earlier.... "According to Hubble’s...
  9. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    It wouldn't matter. I'm telling you that it just would not matter. You just cannot seem to grasp how unbelievably tiny the gravitational effects are of distant objects. Note the highlighted portion of your statement above. The gravitational effect of far distant objects is so immeasurably small...
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    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The entire mass of the universe is pulling on you now and yet the gravitational pull of this tiny little planet has a gigantically larger gravitational effect on you than even the closest star (i.e. the Sun). The walls in the room you are sitting in right now have an enormously larger...
  11. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    I agree that the center of a thing is relative to the limits of that thing. If the universe has a limit then it has a center, if not of space then a center of mass. In other words, I have no argument having to do with the meaning of the word "center". We do not have any evidence that the...
  12. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The problem is that there is way more redshift than can be accounted for by the Doppler Effect alone. That would account for the extra redshift but would not account for the anomalies discovered by Alton Arp such as the ones depicted in the image I posted the other day. No amount of space...
  13. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Yes but not completely different. One is static the other dynamic but both have to do with an objects position relative to other objects. Its the equivalent difference as that between sequence and duration. Not according to redshift theory it isn't, at least not in the way you mean it here. The...
  14. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    To be more clear, it's cosmological redshift that is being questioned, not Doppler effect redshift. Except that there is more redshift than can be accounted for by simple physical motion of an object relative to us. There are things that are so red shifted that things that supposedly started...
  15. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    It's the same thing. The same theory behind redshift distance correlation is the same theory that suggests that everything is moving a way from us. There's way too much redshift than can be accounted for by the bodies physical motion through space. It's all predicated on the idea that space...
  16. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    Nothing that we know of today. Who knows what we'll figure out tomorrow.
  17. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    The argument is based on redshift, the cause of which is what is being questioned here. If redshift is a measure of distance, which I don't believe it is, or if there was evidence that the universe has finite edges then I'd agree that there is some point that could be meaningfully called the...
  18. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    What is infinity divided by two? Another way to think of it.... What is the center point of the surface of a sphere? Again, there is no evidence that the universe has a center. We are as much at the center of the universe as is anything else is so far as it make sense to speak about the...
  19. Clete

    Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

    There is no evidence that the universe has a center but your point is still valid in that modern cosmology does make the assumption that the gravitational constant, as well as all the other constants, are the same everywhere as there are here. Arp, the guy who made the observations in that...
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