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Why did God remove the death penalty for Cain, and not require it for anyone prior to Noah, especially if there was no law? Thank you for catching up to the rest of us. Hmm, I wonder how this applies to Christians, as they are no longer under the law, who sin........ Topic for a different...

You put yourself under a law meant strictly for Israel.

Who said anything about breaking a law? We're talking about whether something is evil or not, in other words, something that goes against God's standard of morality. Who said anything about being a law breaker? Clearly not, else I wouldn't have bothered posting the verses. Including the...

Please stop putting words in my mouth. That's not what I said. In certain circumstances, it is not. In other circumstances, it is. Making a habit of lying, meaning, you lie about everything, even in situations where it is not warranted, for example, lying to your wife about doing the...

Agreed. Agreed. I'm not seeing the connection. As far as I'm aware, there are still plenty of Jews scattered around the globe. And as RD pointed out, there are still plenty of enemies occupying the land that God promised Israel, which the current nation of Israel does not own. Also...

Only if you assume that someone who lies once is considered part of the group known as "liars"... But that's not the way it's meant, nor is it how those in the ancient Hebrew culture spoke. Modern western culture tends to think in terms of individuals. But Throughout the Bible, you'll see it...

No, what's truly that is your insistence that you love God, yet refuse to come to the defence of the innocent! God said to love your neighbor as yourself. By letting your neighbor be murdered in front of you, when you have an opportunity to save his life, is not loving him. Which means you...

So God rewarded evil? How blasphemous can you get!? Of course He can. Funny how you won't quote the verses, you'll just reference them, as if to hide them so that no one will go and look them up, and find out that they don't quite say what you want people to believe they say. Here they...

Why? Does God HAVE to lie to accomplish His goals? Amen!

The fact that you refuse to honestly answer this hypothetical shows you to be the hypocrite that you are, claiming to be loving, but refusing to save the innocent!

Why does it HAVE to be a fulfillment of prophecy?

Was it evil for the Hebrew women to lie to Pharaoh? God rewarded them by giving them families of their own. Surely you don't think such was evil? What about Hagar? She was rewarded for lying to the soldiers by being included in the very lineage of Christ. Surely you don't think such was evil...

You're begging the question that lying is, de facto, a sin. Get rid of that a priori belief, and the problem goes away entirely. If it's not a sin, and you lie in order to, for example, protect the innocent, such as in the examples I gave, then you are not "doing evil that good may come," you...

Do not do evil that good may come of it. That's how you determine.

If that's the attitude you're going to take, then yeah, I guess so.

I didn't say that.

Three days without trucks. After that, store shelves run empty, products stop being made, and fuel stations run dry. A more methodical takedown of America has never been attempted.

Correct. This is just one example, of course.

For starters, lying in defense of the innocent seems to be fine, even worthy of rewards from God. Perhaps @Clete can come up with others?

Yes, that's why I'm here discussing it. If you're not here to discuss, then just leave already.