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That's the exact opposite of being spiritually dead. For he that is (spiritually) dead is freed from sin? That only proves what I'm saying. The "spirit of wisdom and revelation" is not the Holy Spirit. And, yes the souls under the altar. What's the point you're trying to make here?

As those who first were saved under Paul's Gospel. He went to the Jews first and then the Gentiles. Paul was letting those people know that when they believed in the dbr of Christ, they would enter into Christ. Christ in you, the hope of glory.

There is only one "body of Christ" which believers are baptized into when we believe in Jesus's work on the Cross. Most of the promises, that I know of, are for the nation of Israel. The land promises being paramount.

I don't believe the church will be on earth during the millennium kingdom, for we are a spiritual people. By it's been a long time since I've studied that. There is just so much I can take in.

Paul is letting the Gentiles in Eph. know they are able to enter into the body of Christ through his gospel. Eph. 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that...

He's been bought and payed for like the rest.

That certainly makes us remember how great God is. Man has a tendency to try to build a tower to God. It's something we need to be reminded of.

Nothing there about being spiritually dead. That's talking about the word of God, and that certainly causes us to grow spiritually. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. What about the...

Fix you chapters there. I really enjoyed reading that. It's so appropriate just now.

Yeah, that's where the accusing or excusing part comes in. And there's this. Romans 2:5-10 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his...

Good points all. After the body of Christ is raptured, I believe the difference is that the Lord Jesus Christ will rule on this earth with a physical people (the nation of Israel - Jews). During that time (1000 years) it will once again be a physical people so doing what Christ says will be...

You said, "I don't care what you believe, I care about what you can establish with scripture and plain reason." I do make actual arguments. Not my fault that you don't listen. Rhetorical or not, it's a stupid question. "Do you suppose God would have broken.....? I openly scoff at your...

Then your arguments aren't clear enough to be understood...much less agreed with.

Ah, so which kind of dead would this be? I submit there are allegorical deads. Romans 6:6-7 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. So you don't...

When it's supported by Scripture, it certainly does. No decent counter arguments have been given. Ah, well that's a start, and it's very important to this discussion. You haven't figured out what Paul is saying in Romans 6-8. That's clear. Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the...

I may have. Some of your points must go over my head. Yep, my philosophy exactly. Saying it doesn't make it so. So, you actually think that our Great and all knowing God created a man and didn't know that man would disobey the ONE command he was given? Every heard of forbidden fruit...

I don't know. We set our clocks by the sun. Not sure the point of all this. Probably just too darn dumb. ;)

Don't give it a thought. I'm very patient, and I'm always getting sidetracked myself. The Bible is so full. The older I get the more I want.

Of course in the body of Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. We are SPIRITUAL PEOPLE. That doesn't mean we are the only people of God. The physical Nation of Israel has always been and will always be His Covenant People. God deals differently with them in the past and in the future...

I think it means that they listen to their own conscience....a law unto themselves. On the one hand, God expected man to do works of obedience. Like don't eat the fruit. Like build an ark. Physical works. However, for the church (the body of Christ) we need only believe in order to be...