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  1. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    I recall Bob talking about it more than once over the years. The concept of discussing time in that manner works quite well, so long as it is done consistently. The only problem with it is that pretty nearly the whole world thinks of it in the opposite terms and so whether Bob's way of thinking...
  2. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    Do you really not know how to post a link? That makes no sense.
  3. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I call it as I see it. If you don't like it, change your behavior. I couldn't care less. And as a result, the forums are boring and next to no one posts there that doesn't agree with those who run the site. Under no circumstances would I permit the whining of a cry baby who is pretending to...
  4. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    We are in agreement. I was just clarifying things. Clocks are regular occurring events that we use measure the duration and sequence of other events.
  5. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    They aren't "measuring" it, per se, but they are examples of entropic systems. It isn't about the order but the energy state. The sand in the top has more potential energy than the sand at the bottom. The sand falls to the bottom and the potential energy is converted to kinetic energy, sound...
  6. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    The word "month" is just the sound we make to give name to a particular cycle. It happens to be the time it takes for the Moon to go through all of its phases. Revelation, as well as the rest of the bible, was written by and for human beings that understand what period of time a month represents...
  7. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    No, that is just a list of events that happen to be examples of things going from order to disorder and not all of them are even that (the oscillations measured by atomic clocks is literally atoms moving back and forth from a higher energy state to a lower one and back again). You could just as...
  8. Clete

    Reasons against homeschooling?

    I know that this guy is banned but I don't care.... That's sort of the point. At what point was that, exactly? You waited until after your child was school aged to introduce her to Christianity? That doesn't even make any sense! This was a lie and I bet the first part of this sentence was...
  9. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    You aren't going to start crying are you? For the record. If what Cygnus is claiming is actually true, I would have to say that I saw no reason why the post should be deleted, in and of itself. I would therefore suspect that Cygnus here has a history of showing up for the purpose of impugning...
  10. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Contradict yourself much? That is not what either of those things mean. That's because it is an idea. Again, this is because it is an idea. Precisely correct! Motion is ALWAYS a relative term. It has no meaning otherwise. Motion happens but there is no stuff out there called "motion". Motion...
  11. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Four things.... First, entropy, like time, is not an ontologically existent thing. It is an idea. There isn't any sort of physical stuff out there that is entropy. It's just a concept. Second, as Right Divider pointed out, time isn't measured that way. Indeed, if anything, it is entropy that...
  12. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    True enough as stated, but it ignores the topic of the thread which has to do with the real effects that acceleration and velocity have on the duration of events relative to other events. Effects that have been experimentally verified to happen and that must be accounted for and dealt with for...
  13. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    So, because I mentioned Bob's Summit Clock Experiment, I decided to go find the thread and read through a chunk of it. Wow! That is a cool thread! It's hard to believe that I posted THIS almost exactly 17 years ago.... Johnny, Look, I don't know how else to say this. Either the same number of...
  14. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    On that point, we are in 100% agreement! This is a major point that Bob Enyart made when he posted his "Summit Clock Experiment". The Sun (and the rest of anything in the sky) stands as an independent third party that gives a bigger picture perspective in regards to the amount of time that has...
  15. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    I assume that the person who posted it had second thoughts. Yeah, sure. Whatever. How is that relevant? We can speak right here. No one will show up with SUVs and black helicopters. I promise. You've so far given me no reason at all why I would be motivated to do such thing. I very much...
  16. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    Awesome! I'm so relieved to hear that! I totally had noticed which is why it just flabbergasted me that you'd ever buy into such things as flat earth conspiracies. Truly stunning. You can thank social media logarithms that are intended to trap people into their own echo chambers for that...
  17. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    There was a post on here a moment ago that was attempting to chastise TOL for banning people who disagree with Open Theism, which does not happen and, over the decades that this site has existed, hasn't ever happened to my knowledge. I went to respond to the post and it had been deleted. I...
  18. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    No, it slows it down, but not enough to notice at car driving speeds. Do you understand what it was that got me so angry about that? Believing that the Earth is flat is reserved for stupid people, or at least it sure as Hell aught to be! You are very clearly not stupid, which turns it from...
  19. Clete

    What Time Dilation ACTUALLY Is In Relativity (Hint: It has nothing to do with time)

    (y) I would agree but there is an effect that forces us to treat certain systems AS IF time does dilate. The reality is that time is just an idea and so it isn't time itself doing the dilating but the practical result is the same. No, it isn't committing any such fallacy. You really should...
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