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  1. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    I don't merely say so - its a fact that I have elucidated in some detail already. This is some progress then - you admit that you can't defend the Trinity from scripture. However you insist upon this idea that God is divided into three personages - which you can't establish from scripture...
  2. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    You are begging the question by assuming that there is more than one person to which "God" refers - and specifically the personages of the Trinity - and refusing to hear out any answer that is not in agreement with your beliefs. It's not biblical, and is in fact the very point of debate. I've...
  3. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    First of all, I would like to thank you for all the effort you put forth to compile your post @JudgeRightly - and in the middle of the week no less! While I do wish you would respond more to some of my points, at least you have tried to put forth a defense of the Trinity doctrine. These three...
  4. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    I have commented on it plenty since the original post. You just continue to refuse to read either the scriptures or the commentary you asked for. Paul 1. clearly distinguishes Jesus from "God the Father" and "God" in that passage, and 2. subjugates the Son to the Father. Both are contradictory...
  5. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    I don't have a special meaning for it - the usual suffices. One who exists, who is; a living thing. In fact, in the Septuigant that is one translation for God's name in Greek: the one who is; the being. I am a being, you are a being, my dog is a being, etc. It is contradictory for Jesus to be...
  6. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    Showing scripture that clearly contradicts his assertions is a perfectly rational response. It doesn't require extensive commentary to see the contradiction between Right Divider's interpretation of things vs what is actually in scripture. What isn't rational is your inability to read and learn...
  7. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    I bolded and underlined parts of the scripture - which is more than sufficient commentary if you are paying attention to what it says vs Right Dividers interpretation of things. Paul plainly distinguishes Christ from God and subjugates Christ to God.
  8. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but... 1 Cor 15:22-28 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has...
  9. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    The burden of proof falls to you, then. Show where the scriptures explicitly speak of the Trinity and of its utmost importance to the faith. Christ, the apostles, and all of the early church actively devoted and risked their lives for the gospel. Multiple corresponding accounts were written to...
  10. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    That was a close one, you almost engaged in a theological discussion and learned something! And we all know how learning something is a danger to Catholics; don’t want to face an inquisition. Stay ignorant, stay safe
  11. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    So you blindly assert - without any scripture to back it up and ignoring the rest of my reply.
  12. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    It's not a matter of what God should have done - it's a matter of what actually transpired. Christ taught what he wanted us to know, and those teachings were carried on and recorded in the scriptures. You would have us ignore what is actually taught as central to the faith (love) and replace it...
  13. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    Blindly insisting it was does not make it so. If they taught it - and especially if they held it to be of the utmost importance to the faith - then they would have emphasized such a doctrine in the scriptures which served to testify of him and share his teachings. But it's not there. Jesus is...
  14. csuguy

    "The Divinity of Christ"

    If the divinity of Christ were a central doctrine of Christianity proper, then it would have been taught as such by Christ and his early followers. The New Testament would plainly make the case that belief that he is God Almighty himself (rather than the Son of God) is core to salvation and to...
  15. csuguy

    Salvation is a matter of knowing & being known by God, not believing in God

    Often we are told that salvation comes from the faith - believe in doctrines x, y, and z and be saved. However this isn't accurate. While it is certainly good and important to believe in God - it is not a requirement of salvation. Rather, what is vital for salvation is to know & be known by God...
  16. csuguy

    Catholicism vs Scripture

    An oldie but a goodie: Catholicism vs Scripture. I'm starting this thread to continue an off-topic conversation started in another thread. Some sample points to explore: * The Eucharist * Papal Infallibility * The Papal Authority via Peter * The Immaculate Conception * The Worship/Idolatry of...
  17. csuguy

    The End Game of the Conservative Agenda

    Conservatives want to reduce and eliminate things like minimum wage by arguing that this will produce more jobs. It is true, eliminating such regulations would provide a lot more jobs. However, what kinds of jobs would they be? Nothing less than the kinds of jobs that pay less than the already...
  18. csuguy

    Can a Catholic Priest or Nun get a Civil Marriage (no sexual relations)?

    Since a civil marriage is not viewed as legitimate by the Catholic Church, could a Catholic Priest hypothetically get a Civil Marriage (assuming no sexual relations) without it being considered a sin? This is (obviously) purely hypothetical. I was wondering if it would be possible for Catholic...
  19. csuguy

    God must engage in un-ideal actions

    An interesting thought came to me today - even God must engage in un-ideal actions, when dealing with an un-ideal world/people. Don't confuse this for saying that God engages in sinful acts, that is of course false. However, consider that in many events, things didn't go the way God ideally...
  20. csuguy

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Lolz - Ok so you think there's a giant wall of ice keeping the sea in place, and defend the position by saying the governments keeping it a secret. Tell me - if the sun is rotating around the flat earth, from above to below it and back again, why is it so cold on the perimeters such that a giant...
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