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  1. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Yes, true. Yet, you have to adequately define at least one, without the other. Wrong for instance: "not right." Right "no wrong." Anyone unfamiliar with English (i.e.ESL), is going to be rightly confused and cannot, by the defined limitation, ever grasp either meaning, just that one...
  2. Lon

    Our Moral God

    One, in definition, necessarily has to not have a contrast, however. It is a must, THEN you can use the definition to discuss the other by opposite, meaning, not before. I have to be able to have a concept of one without the other, to escape circular reasoning: When I was six, my grandpa was...
  3. Lon

    Our Moral God

    It was to be able to look it up. I'll have to check if your mind is loaned to my local library :X Yes, but for the need of clarity. O.o I don't see them as analogy? It'll take much longer conversation nevertheless. We disagree out of the gate and I believe upon a 'plain reading' of the...
  4. Lon

    Time doesn't exist.

    Was it Summit Clock Experiment 2.0: Time is Absolute! ? Are you arguing with Enyart? An absolute and a 'doesn't exist' don't appear to be the same thing.
  5. Lon

    Ask Sherman

    Can posts like this be updated to point to the original links? https://theologyonline.com/threads/debating-open-theism.52016/ and https://theologyonline.com/threads/my-views-on-open-theism.50205/
  6. Lon

    Our Moral God

    A disagreement among Open Theists: In Open Theism two and three (20 years ago O.o ), I found some Open Theists who believe 'God knows all things knowable' to logically include the whole of 'knowable' truth and happenings and yet, I've come across this verse in Genesis 18, unexpected grapes...
  7. Lon

    Our Moral God

    Thank you. Mulled this over last night rather than responding. Appreciate the insight. Freewill is generally hand in hand with theodicy in the sense that freewill is their answer to God justified. As Derf said, God, in freewill, isn't the Author of sin, but the Author of the switch...
  8. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    🤔 ??? After the Fall, no problem with acquiescing, prior, huge issues. It is conjecture, we only know what and how it happened and the Serpent was instrumental, so much so that Moses describes him as 'more crafty than all the other beasts.' It has strong connotations against a counter...
  9. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    Imago Deo doesn't demand that. Simply, man is created with a sense of 'other'/consciousness. Freewill suggest independence/autonomy, but they are not the same thing. It is rather that in the knowledge that we exist and "aren't" God, we are separate. Separate doesn't equal 'free' exactly...
  10. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    Understood but for posterity, imago Deo should produce the question "How are we in His image?" Ideas of 'self' suggest a freewill notion, but it is more an 'independence' a 'separate mind.' The implications of such are far reaching, if you meet another after me that isn't too keen on...
  11. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    Thank you, sir I see your and his point. "No they do not" I'd correct, then agree on the overall Enyart states.
  12. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    Did you use to be in computers before truck driving? Side hobby you are good at? (maybe another thread)
  13. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    I'd have to buy the book. A quote or two?
  14. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    Too broadly stated. Rain falls on the just and the unjust. The point being, weeds will be weeds and wheat will be wheat. Miracles do this same thing, respectively.
  15. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    Small warning: That we not to get caught up in the loaves and fishes, Our Savior is the thing. John 6:26,27 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. Do not work for the food that perishes...
  16. Lon

    God's miracles in my life

    I read the same. I'd reckon he is talking about the wonder of God in his everyday life and his appreciations thereof. I used to get overtly excited at God answering any prayer, but those who followed Jesus because of the loaves and fish miracles, were coming for loaves and fish, not Jesus...
  17. Lon

    A little comedy break....

    My all time favorite Pickles strip has the wife talking to the husband from the other room. Mid strip she comes into the living room and says, "You haven't heard a word I have said, have you!" Without missing a beat he says "How is that any way to start a conversation?" Funny stuff
  18. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    All fair. I'm sure you are following Clete and my discussion in Our Moral God. I'm having a few 'ah ha' moments (may be serviceable for our discussion). My attempt has comfortably allowed an "I've no idea" answer such that God is never accused because we have no known trigger on my...
  19. Lon

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    I know! As I told Derf 1) We are told 'how' with Adam and Eve. 2) We are never told how Satan fell. I've wrestled with this over years and have no answer. If I read you and Derf correctly, the answer for you and freewill theists is God created us with freewill. My problem with the...
  20. Lon

    Our Moral God

    These would be descriptors, adjectives. In such the state of being carries the adjective 'good.' With evil as a depravation, the thought is that the thing is described as an 'absence' of what is good, I believe I like your 'opposite' description, but to get to 'opposite,' privation is the...
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