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Nick M

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Frank's theology is not just bad, it is main stream religion bad. That doesn't make him outside the faith. He bombs in the first 2 minutes.

 

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12 He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. 16 And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. 18 And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”

God condemns socialism.
 

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12 He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. 14 And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. 16 And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. 18 And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.”

God warning Israel that the king they want will be a tyrant...

God condemns socialism.

... has very little to do with socialism.

Iow: this is a non-sequitur.
 

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In the Garden, they had liberty to eat or not eat of the tree.
Again... you have a FALSE DEFINITION of "liberty".

liberty /lĭb′ər-tē/​

noun​

  1. The condition of being free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
  2. The condition of being free from oppressive restriction or control by a government or other power.
  3. A right to engage in certain actions without control or interference by a government or other power.
    "the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

What they had was freedom to choose between alternatives.
Government (God in this case) spelled out the punishment for disobeying, which limited how far they could take their liberty..
God is NOT "government". You have all kinds of problems with definitions. No wonder that you're so confused all of the time.
 

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Again... you have a FALSE DEFINITION of "liberty".

liberty /lĭb′ər-tē/​

noun​

  1. The condition of being free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
  2. The condition of being free from oppressive restriction or control by a government or other power.
  3. A right to engage in certain actions without control or interference by a government or other power.
    "the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights."
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

What they had was freedom to choose between alternatives.

God is NOT "government". You have all kinds of problems with definitions. No wonder that you're so confused all of the time.
Government would include entities that perform government functions, included making and expressing the law, with the punishment for breaking it, as well as executing the punishment. How do these terms not describe God in the Garden?
 
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