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Avajs

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Let's cut to the chase. I listen to experts, they likely know more about their subject than I do. There is evidence to back up scientific claims, if I am interested enough I can research further. The comments about "taking the work of scientists"---yeah for the most part. I have PhDs and MDs in my immediate family. I have met Nobel prize winners. They don't strike me a people who misrepresent their work.
And if the underlying research finds something new or different--they either accept that or investigate further.

Fine---I'm taking a lot of science on faith if you wish to put it that way---but in every case it is faith based on evidence. I note that for many here who start with the god presupposition, evidence is not necessary.

From a practical standpoint, if my heart is racing for no reason--I'll see a cardiologist. I'll listen to that doctor---why, because they have training and expertise. Do you bring your car to a dentist if the brakes dont work? Do you visit a mechanic for a tooth ache.

Enough of this nonsense, grow up. Have some courage to look at evidence. Many people who post here are frightened of the real world.
 
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Avajs said:
Fine---I'm taking a lot of science on faith
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That is, you're taking a lot of what you choose to refer to as "science" on faith.
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if you wish to put it that way
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Obviously you wish to put it that way, since you did put it that way.
Avajs said:
---but in every case it is faith based on evidence.
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On what "evidence" is your faith based that what you choose to call "evidence" is evidence?
 
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7djengo7 said:
That is, you're taking a lot of what you choose to refer to as "science" on faith.

Obviously you wish to put it that way, since you did put it that way.

On what "evidence" is your faith based that what you choose to call "evidence" is evidence?
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You are adorable
 
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Avajs said:
Let's cut to the chase. I listen to experts, they likely know more about their subject than I do. There is evidence to back up scientific claims, if I am interested enough I can research further. The comments about "taking the work of scientists"---yeah for the most part. I have PhDs and MDs in my immediate family. I have met Nobel prize winners. They don't strike me a people who misrepresent their work.
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All of this applies to us as well. We listen to experts, who likely know more than we do. There is evidence to back up our claims. We actually HAVE researched further. We have access to people that interpret Greek and Hebrew. They don't strike us as people who misrepresent their work.
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And if the underlying research finds something new or different--they either accept that or investigate further.
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And our underlying evidence never changes, since it was written thousands of years ago, and hasn't needed any update.
Avajs said:
Fine---I'm taking a lot of science on faith if you wish to put it that way---but in every case it is faith based on evidence. I note that for many here who start with the god presupposition, evidence is not necessary.
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Untrue in the most extreme sense!
Avajs said:
From a practical standpoint, if my heart is racing for no reason--I'll see a cardiologist. I'll listen to that doctor---why, because they have training and expertise. Do you bring your car to a dentist if the brakes dont work? Do you visit a mechanic for a tooth ache.
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So here's the rub. If you experienced something yourself, and then go ask an expert who was not present (any expert, you pick) to describe what you experienced, how close would they get to your description? Would they be able to describe what you witnessed better than you or worse?
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Enough of this nonsense, grow up. Have some courage to look at evidence. Many people who post here are frightened of the real world.
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Yes, we all agree. You should look at the evidence we have offered. Evidence from the real world. Evidence that has stood the test of time (the experts have not had to change their minds because the research has found something different to be true.)
 
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You are adorable
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Teeth-gnasher, why can you never refrain from your impulse to react angrily like that? I mean, I understand what it is that angers you about what I wrote; but, man, it's like you are afflicted with a sort of chronic emotional intemperance that pretty much guarantees that you are going to publicly display your anger and pettiness, rather than to try to at least keep it to yourself and create an illusion that you have a modicum of dignity and/or self-awareness.
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On what "evidence" is your faith based that what you choose to call "evidence" is evidence?
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@Avajs: <NO ANSWER>
 
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Derf said:
All of this applies to us as well. We listen to experts, who likely know more than we do. There is evidence to back up our claims. We actually HAVE researched further. We have access to people that interpret Greek and Hebrew. They don't strike us as people who misrepresent their work.

And our underlying evidence never changes, since it was written thousands of years ago, and hasn't needed any update.

Untrue in the most extreme sense!

So here's the rub. If you experienced something yourself, and then go ask an expert who was not present (any expert, you pick) to describe what you experienced, how close would they get to your description? Would they be able to describe what you witnessed better than you or worse?

Yes, we all agree. You should look at the evidence we have offered. Evidence from the real world. Evidence that has stood the test of time (the experts have not had to change their minds because the research has found something different to be true.)
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How many versions of Christianity are there? You claim your evidence hasnt changed but you cannot agree on what the stories mean.
 
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Avajs

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7djengo7 said:
Teeth-gnasher, why can you never refrain from your impulse to react angrily like that? I mean, I understand what it is that angers you about what I wrote; but, man, it's like you are afflicted with a sort of chronic emotional intemperance that pretty much guarantees that you are going to publicly display your anger and pettiness, rather than to try to at least keep it to yourself and create an illusion that you have a modicum of dignity and/or self-awareness.

@Avajs: <NO ANSWER>
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Angry, intemperate, pettiness? All that after suggesting you were adorable??
 
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