Recent content by Clete

One major point I am making is that it seems to me that a lot of Mid-Acts people turn not getting water baptized into a form of legalism. Their attitude towards the practice seem to be over cooked. Also, as I said before, the causing division issue is at best ancillary. People divide over the...

The assumption is that Paul is NOT referring to water baptism, not that he was doing so! The natural reading would be for the original audience to presume that baptism is being discussed in its normal sense. Everyone knew what water baptism was. Spiritual baptism was new and so if a distinction...

So, "not water" is not an argument. It's just a statement of your position. Having said that, my quoting the passages wasn't an argument either. I just posted them to let it be seen how natural it is for someone to read them and get the idea that water baptism is a thing we ought to be doing and...

This is so incoherent that it staggers one's ability to believe that anyone could hold such a view long enough to have typed it all out! We'll take it a step at a time... First, Catholicism is defined by submission to the magisterium. The Catholic Church does not present its teachings as...

I'm out of time! Here are the passages about baptism related to or discussed by the Apostle Paul. (Compiled by AI).... Here are the passages where water baptism is mentioned directly in connection with the ministry, writings, or narrative of the Apostle Paul. I have limited the list to places...

If you agree that the practice is not prohibited then we are in sufficient agreement to make the rest somewhat moot. I agree that there is a great deal of dispute and confusion over the ritual. I simply read Paul's letters and can understand why some would conclude that it is a proper practice...

That doesn't mean that they actually are. All of this is interpretation that is based on the premise that water baptism is invalid. It is question begging, as it seems are most all such arguments, which is why it is not persuasive. There is one actual baptism for the Body of Christ. That does...

I've heard all of those arguments many time before and they are compelling to a degree but not fully persuasive. At the end of the day, Paul himself was baptized in water as virtually the first act of his own faith and then proceeded to personally water baptize several people. And even if he...

In reference to the bottom right square in that presentation, and specifically in regard to the issue of water baptism, it seems to me that if a person approaches Paul’s epistles without importing a large theological framework beforehand, it is very difficult to conclude that water baptism is...

I no longer recall why you were being ignored so I've taken you off ignore. Try not to remind me what the problem was, okay? There are several major problems with the sentiments expressed above... First of all, it's a bit of a non sequitur. Proving dispensationalism would, by definition...

Cool. We agree. I suspect (but cannot prove) that the context of our heavenly existence will make marriage a non-sequitur. We won't miss it because it just won't make any sense.

This does not seem to address the point. The passage I cited and which you have now repeated, explicitly states the problem that God was addressing when He decided to create Eve. Again, reproduction was certainly not an afterthought but it does seem to have been secondary to the companionship...

That's an interesting sentiment. You think marriage is necessarily sexual. It is certain a major part of marriage but it does not seem to be primary and less than necessary. God creating Eve was in resolution to the following problem... Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that...

Leader? By what standard? Who is it claiming that this person is a leader of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism? From what I can tell he was something of a pioneer in regard the modern American Mid-Acts movement but he was never any sort of leader in the sense of an organized movement. What he taught...

What amazes me even more are the people who do know what the bible says and argue bad theology anyway. It's as if the bible doesn't matter, or that it is, at most, secondary. This comes in many forms. Augustine knew the bible well but held the teachings of Aristotle above all else. David...