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  1. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't follow. What "dead babies question", and how does it connect to Option 2? Everyone who doesn't end up in either the New Heaven or the New Earth will find the Lake of Fire. Right?
  2. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I am under the impression, although I could not establish it at the moment, that the day of redemption is the day when the process begins of Christians going through a judgement where we will receive rewards or suffer the loss of rewards. (I Corinthians 3:13–15; II Corinthians 5:10) This is...
  3. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Ideas have consequences Right Divider, as you well know! Why will you not engage the argument? On that day, one of three things will happen... Option 1: She (i.e. a severely backslidden Christian) joyfully embraces God as He truly is If this is your answer, then you're conceding my core...
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    Different Stuff

    It's so frustrating that such a plainly obvious fact of not only history but of LONG establish philosophy has to continually be restated over and over again.
  5. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    We agree! I ask again.... In what way then does my example fail? Forget using Hillary Clinton as a specific example. Perhaps that's too much of a hypothetical for your mind to wrap itself around. Just keep it generic if that helps. Just assume a severely backslidden Christian finds himself...
  6. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    How so? All saved persons will be. All of them! Do you acknowledge the possibility of a back-slidden Christian? If not then what do you do with I Corinthians 3:1–3, Galatians 5:4 & Galatians 6:1? If you do acknowledge the existence of back-slidden Christians, are you suggesting that such a...
  7. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't understand. She will have been delivered there the same way as anyone else.
  8. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    It is a stretch, I grant, and while it is a distinct possibility, it was presented as a hypothetical for the sake of argument. "For the sake of argument, let's suppose that she did. Assume Hillary Clinton made a genuine profession of faith at some point in her life and was saved under Paul’s...
  9. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    It seems you are reacting to something that I am not saying. You know better than to accuse me of this. I meant every word I said. You and I are not the only two people reading this exchange. Just as importantly, the way you are using it is incompatible, logically, with a disagreement with my...
  10. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I wouldn't go so far as to say that "He might boot people out later" because the conditions that make rejection possible are not indefinitely self-sustaining once truth, clarity, and rightly ordered love are fully established. In our eternal state, ignorance is removed, deception is gone, trauma...
  11. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    Saying it doesn't make it so. It's a metaphor. We are members of body of believers called "the Body of Christ". We are not literally Jesus' body parts. Your question implied it (at least potentially so). We do not add anything to God, nor is God diminished by our absence. God, by His very...
  12. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    God didn't need us when He created us and doesn't need us now. His existence and perfection is not, nor will it ever be contingent on us. To speak of us being one of God's "body parts" is to use metaphorical language. I suggest you look again. Satan believes in God's existence RD. Just...
  13. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    This thread has been stuck in my head all day. I simply cannot comprehend how this idea is even controversial. It seems like perfectly simple common sense stuff to me and so I'm going to make one more attempt to articulate it so that there can be no excuse for misunderstanding - not that any...
  14. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I have done no such thing. It never stops amazing me the consistency with which people who disagree with me are forced to mischaracterize what I've said so as to sound reasonable when they disagree. It has been the overarching theme of my theological life for more than two decades now...
  15. Clete

    Guns!

    Full disclosure: I haven't watched the video so what follows may not even address what it talks about. I'm just shooting the breeze here, killing time before I have to go to work. 10mm vs .45 ACP. Both seem to be using a sledge hammer to drive 16 penny nails. In 99% of cases, a .22 will get...
  16. Clete

    Was Gen 1 and 2 one event blended or two separate events?

    You are making up god as you go. The word we use to name the concept of creating whatever sort of god we desire to exist is... IDOLATRY The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what you "think you are finding". Truth is not a matter of personal opinion. Genesis either teaches the...
  17. Clete

    Was Gen 1 and 2 one event blended or two separate events?

    You give him too much credit. His effort is in the realm of imagination, not reason. He is making stuff up out of whole clothe. His foundation is nearly pure fantasy with no teleological value whatsoever. His method belongs in the field of fiction novel writing, not theology or linguistics...
  18. Clete

    Was Gen 1 and 2 one event blended or two separate events?

    This is literal gibberish! There isn't anything about this that even partially resembles rational thought. It's barely intelligible as having been written in English! This is not interpretation but just pure speculation. Speculation that has no basis in ANYTHING. There doesn't even seem to be...
  19. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    First of all this is not a television show. I can literally spend hours typing posts and, in fact, I used to do exactly that day after day after day. I'd repeat myself dozens of times and would write near identical posts to more than one person. I'd bet that I've committed 10,000 hours to...
  20. Clete

    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    I don't ever mind answering any honest question. Just exactly which question is it that you want me to answer? The closest to a question Derf got to was... "So it sounds like you are willing to say that "saved" means resurrection from the dead (and no more) for believers, but resurrection from...
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