Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

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He left the apostles, and it shattered them.

What makes you think that?

Is God a liar when He told Israel this?

Heb 13:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(13:5) [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. ​

When Christ departed, they (the 11, soon to be twelve again) went about their business replacing Judas Iscariot. I don't see them "shattered" in any way.

They had not anticipated it.

Anticipated what?

Jesus said that He was going to prepare a place for them.

John 14:2-3 (AKJV/PCE)​

(14:2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.​

Why would they be "shattered" knowing that they Lord was taking care of them?

But then Pentecost came, and the Holy Spirit descended.

Please quote the scripture where the Holy Spirit "descended" (hint: it does not say that).

That is the pattern: the world remains empty of the divine unless God chooses to enter it.

You keep making this vague undefined statement. Define your terms.

We are meant to relinquish the notion that we are naturally immersed in the divine presence, for that is a pagan intuition, not a Christian one.

Again, this sounds like new age jargon and not biblical Christianity.

 

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What makes you think that?

Is God a liar when He told Israel this?

Heb 13:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(13:5) [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. ​

When Christ departed, they (the 11, soon to be twelve again) went about their business replacing Judas Iscariot. I don't see them "shattered" in any way.


Anticipated what?

Jesus said that He was going to prepare a place for them.

John 14:2-3 (AKJV/PCE)​

(14:2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (14:3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.​

Why would they be "shattered" knowing that they Lord was taking care of them?

I think he was referring to Christ's crucifixion here, not ascension. I was going to respond the same way you did, but then I realized that was a possibility.

He's not being very clear. Just vague claims.

 

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I think he was referring to Christ's crucifixion here, not ascension. I was going to respond the same way you did, but then I realized that was a possibility.

He's not being very clear. Just vague claims.

If that is the case, then he is being very scatterbrained.

They (the 11) were "shattered" for a whole three days...