Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

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I propose an atonement model that interprets Christ's redemptive work through the dynamic of cosmic disenchantment, integrating several soteriological frameworks within the broader historical trajectory of secularization. Drawing on Jean‑Luc Nancy, Karl Barth, and Marcel Gauchet, the model begins from the observation that monotheism functions as a kind of "atheism" toward the natural world. By locating the divine wholly in transcendence, Christianity strips the cosmos of inherent sacredness. Secularization, therefore, is not simply the adversary of faith but the historical outworking of Christianity's own demythologizing impulse: the liberation of nature from magical causality and spiritual captivity. Yet this same process exposes humanity to new perils: nihilism, moral dissolution, hedonistic self‑absorption, and political idolatry.

Contemporary "theodramatic" approaches (e.g., Vanhoozer, Moes) attempt to counter these dangers by re‑enchanting the world through renewed emphasis on divine immanence. But framing the material world as the stage of God's dramatic action risks sliding back into a pagan metaphysics in which matter becomes a vessel of divinity, analogous to ancient Egyptian ritual practices where statues were treated as embodiments of the gods. To avoid this confusion, the article distinguishes between horizontal participation (the pagan impulse to locate the divine within the material order) and vertical participation, which directs the believer's desire for communion upward toward the transcendent Kingdom through intellect, spirit, and sacramental life.

Human beings nevertheless retain an archaic, pre‑reflective drive for participation and enchantment. When this subterranean impulse is blocked, whether by militant atheism or by overly rationalized theological systems, it tends to erupt in distorted and destructive forms: political ideologies such as Nazism and Communism, or contemporary conspiracy movements that function as ersatz religions. Theology thus has a crucial diagnostic role, and the Church's sacramental life provides a structured, non‑idolatrous channel for humanity's participatory longings. The sacraments safeguard the boundary between the earthly and the heavenly while preventing the slide into nihilism.

The article ultimately advocates a form of Christian faith that acknowledges the ontological "emptiness" or disenchantment of the material world, yet refuses to leave the human longing for the sacred unaddressed. Instead, it redirects that longing toward a transcendent horizon. Christ's redemptive work thus appears as the decisive moment of cosmic disenchantment: freeing creation from false sacrality while opening the path to true participation in the divine life.

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Have you studied what God says about everything in the Bible? I got the impression the answer is no.
What I say is entirely compatible with the biblical message. If we're not supposed to think, why did God give us an intellectual faculty?
 

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Is this attitude biblical?
It is.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

There are no sacraments. There is the law of Moses which certainly has ceremonial principles in it. But the purpose is two fold. The main being foreshadowing salvation, which we in fact look back on now.

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MWinther

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What is "the biblical message"?

You'll get plenty of thinking here on TOL, not to mention some sound reasoning.
Christ's cry of dereliction ("My God, why have you forsaken me?") represents the precise moment of cosmic disillusion when Satan's enchanted cosmos collapses.
 

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Again, you're sounding like a self-absorbed mystic.

What is "Satan's enchanted cosmos"?
Satan, as the tradition holds, inaugurated the primordial Fall, producing not a total rupture but a partial alienation of creation from the divine life. Tatian notes that this fall placed humanity under the sway of Satan and his demons, whose aim was to estrange humankind from God and redirect our service toward themselves rather than the Creator (Tatian, Address to the Greeks, ch. VII). This incomplete descent was not accidental but intrinsic to Satan's paradoxical ambition: he sought a quasi‑divine dominion over creation while still relying on the residual divine qualities that persisted within it. A world plunged into absolute materiality, utterly severed from divine enchantment, would have frustrated his purposes, leaving nothing left to parasitize or counterfeit.

Christ's work, however, overturned this demonic regime by inaugurating what may be called a Second Fall: a decisive act that brought creation to the point of cosmic disenchantment. In stripping the world of its lingering false sacrality, Christ undermined the very conditions that sustained Satan's authority and exposed the illusory character of his dominion.
 

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Satan, as the tradition holds, inaugurated the primordial Fall, producing not a total rupture but a partial alienation of creation from the divine life. Tatian notes that this fall placed humanity under the sway of Satan and his demons, whose aim was to estrange humankind from God and redirect our service toward themselves rather than the Creator (Tatian, Address to the Greeks, ch. VII). This incomplete descent was not accidental but intrinsic to Satan's paradoxical ambition: he sought a quasi‑divine dominion over creation while still relying on the residual divine qualities that persisted within it. A world plunged into absolute materiality, utterly severed from divine enchantment, would have frustrated his purposes, leaving nothing left to parasitize or counterfeit.

Christ's work, however, overturned this demonic regime by inaugurating what may be called a Second Fall: a decisive act that brought creation to the point of cosmic disenchantment. In stripping the world of its lingering false sacrality, Christ undermined the very conditions that sustained Satan's authority and exposed the illusory character of his dominion.
Can you use the scripture as your guide instead of that fairy tale?

"Divine enchantment" o_O:rolleyes:
 

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Can you use the scripture as your guide instead of that fairy tale?

"Divine enchantment" o_O:rolleyes:
Divine enchantment is the experience of reality as permeated, animated, or illuminated by the presence of the divine — a state in which the world is not merely material but alive with meaning, depth, and sacred significance. A strong scriptural example of divine enchantment, the world suddenly perceived as alive with God's presence, is Moses and the burning bush in Exodus 3.

In Mark 1:23–27, Jesus is teaching when a man "with an unclean spirit" cries out: "I know who you are—the Holy One of God!" The spirit recognizes Jesus' authority, and Jesus expels it with a command. This is a classic example of demonic presence manifesting through speech and resistance.

In Ephesians 6:12, Paul describes the Christian struggle as being against "the rulers, the authorities, the cosmic powers over this present darkness." This is not a narrative example but a doctrinal one: demonic presence is systemic, not only individual.
 

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Christ's cry of dereliction ("My God, why have you forsaken me?") represents the precise moment of cosmic disillusion when Satan's enchanted cosmos collapses.
The cross is the work of the Holy Spirit. He set it up and the Lord Jesus Christ prepared himself to take the punishment for sin. Look up Psalm 22.
 
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