Oh No Not Another Apocalypse Thread By Chrysostom

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chrysostom said:
A Thousand Years
A bottomless pit connects chapters: 9, 11, 17, and 20 which proves the theory of recapitulation introduced by Victorinus. It holds that the chapters of the Apocalypse are not necessarily in chronological order. The beast chained in chapter 20 is being released in chapter 9. Also the thousand years started in chapter 20 is ended in chapter 18. The thousand years is when they "reigned with Christ". This has been misinterpreted as "reign of Christ" which cannot be found in the bible. Only on the internet. There is only one Christian empire where they reigned with Christ a thousand years. The Byzantine Empire. This empire started with the seven dynasties of the Roman empire and ended with the ten dynasties of Islam. The beast with seven heads and ten horns.
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Why prophecy?
To prove God is in control. To comfort those not in control who are suffering. You don't need to understand it but it is there if you need some kind of assurance. The Apocalypse has concepts not addressed in any other place of the bible. Like the second death. Who talks about that? Like New Jerusalem. Who talks about that without putting it in the future. The future is for those who can't find prophecies already fulfilled in history. Many don't even bother looking. Most don't know how to connect history and prophecy. I use numbers and colors. Words you can trust. All the other words can be mistranslated or misinterpreted by men who are not necessarily inspired. That is why we have over 60 English bibles each with many revisions. Who can you trust? What can you trust? The Church does not have an official explanation for the Apocalypse which allows us to speculate. Nothing wrong with speculation if it is reasonable. So what is reasonable?
 
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chrysostom said:
Why prophecy?
To prove God is in control. To comfort those not in control who are suffering. You don't need to understand it but it is there if you need some kind of assurance. The Apocalypse has concepts not addressed in any other place of the bible. Like the second death. Who talks about that? Like New Jerusalem. Who talks about that without putting it in the future. The future is for those who can't find prophecies already fulfilled in history. Many don't even bother looking. Most don't know how to connect history and prophecy. I use numbers and colors. Words you can trust. All the other words can be mistranslated or misinterpreted by men who are not necessarily inspired. That is why we have over 60 English bibles each with many revisions. Who can you trust? What can you trust? The Church does not have an official explanation for the Apocalypse which allows us to speculate. Nothing wrong with speculation if it is reasonable. So what is reasonable?
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What is reasonable?
To say the Apocalypse, written 2000 years ago, is about the second coming is not reasonable when it says the time is near. To say it is about the first coming could be reasonable if it was written before Jesus. We have reason to believe there is a version of the Apocalypse that didn't have the seven churches. Eusebius and Victorinus are not aware of them. John the Baptist was preparing the way for the lamb, a word found 27 times in the Apocalypse. We also have Irenaeus mentioning ancient copies of the Apocalypse. A conjecture by Vischer suggests it was originally a purely Jewish composition. Thank you AI.
 
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