iouae
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Are you saying the dinosaurs did or did not make it onto the ark?
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How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?
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iouae
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Are you saying the dinosaurs did or did not make it onto the ark?
You're dodging.
Don't avoid the direct challenge to your assertion.
Why does most of the life that has ever existed have to have existed before Adam was created if 1% exists/ed after Noah? Why are you ignoring the roughly 2000 years between Adam and Noah?
Right Divider
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What does the Bible say?
iouae
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I explained it. God told Noah to take all air breathing animals onto the ark. Noah did that. So why are dinosaurs not here today?
7djengo7
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No he wasn't. You're lying.
Rather, Noah was only commanded to take seven, rather than ALL, of every clean beast; two, rather than ALL, of every unclean beast; and seven, rather than ALL, of every fowl of the air:
| Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. |
By "existed," do you mean were alive? 0% of the animals that were alive in Noah's day are alive today, and 0% of the animals that are alive today were alive in Noah's day. All animals that are alive today are decendants of the animals that were alive in Noah's day.
What (if anything) do you mean by "existed"?
0% of the animals that lived in Noah's day survive today. Every last one of them, even the longest living, died--which is to say, stopped surviving--thousands of years ago.
0% of the animals that are alive today made it onto the ark, seeing as the flood was through and the ark grounded thousands of years before any of the animals that are alive today were ever born.
No, you didn't.
This does not answer the challenge.
Again, the challenge is:
Why does most of the life that has ever existed have to have existed before Adam was created if 1% exists/ed after Noah? Why are you ignoring the roughly 2000 years between Adam and Noah?
Why couldn't the 99% have existed BETWEEN Adam and Noah, rather than BEFORE ADAM, as you claim?
iouae
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Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sortshalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
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Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
Look at the "all" and "every" in the above verses. If Noah took all, but no dinosaurs made it till today, the logical conclusion has to be that there were no dinosaurs pre flood. If there were no dinos, then the same logic applies to lots more air breathing animals found in palaeontology. Had they been created but died out before the flood? This makes no sense since dinosaurs like T rex should have wiped out the weaker mammals, not the other way round. This is the mess which not believing in science creates. I don't have to explain this since the fossil record clearly shows no dinosaur ever walked with modern day man or modern mammals.
iouae
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Nobody said Noah was to fit every animal onto the ark. But he was told to take representatives of all air-breathing species.
Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sortshalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
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Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
Look at the "all" and "every" in the above verses. If Noah took all, but no dinosaurs made it till today, the logical conclusion has to be that there were no dinosaurs pre flood. If there were no dinos, then the same logic applies to lots more air breathing animals found in palaeontology. Had they been created but died out before the flood? This makes no sense since dinosaurs like T rex should have wiped out the weaker mammals, not the other way round. This is the mess which not believing in science creates. I don't have to explain this since the fossil record clearly shows no dinosaur ever walked with modern day man or modern mammals.
Gen 6:19
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sortshalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
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Gen 6:20
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
You're missing the "of."
OF
Not "All."
No, it's not the logical conclusion.
As RD said:
Something you seem to have missed, given your response to him.
Why do you assume there weren't any?
Is it because of your a priori beliefs that they existed millions of years ago, rather than only a few thousand?
Supra.
This is how we know you're not really interested in discussion. I answered this several posts ago, but you ignored it.
"Science" has become your god. It has replaced your Creator, who tells you what He did in His word.
"I'm not going to explain this, but expect you to accept it because I believe it is true."
As before: The ENTIRE geologic column (what you refer to here as "the fossil record") was laid down by the GLOBAL flood.
ONE EVENT. Not millions of years.
My theory is that they tasted like chicken.
iouae
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So tell me, when and why did the 99% of all animals that ever lived die out. Was it pre-flood, when humans were thriving and living to almost a thousand years old? Was it during the flood, because Noah disobeyed God and did not take them onto the ark? Or was it post flood, in which case writing was prevalent and there is no record of human contact with the 99% of lost species?
iouae
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That's probably the truest thing I have read today
All creatures (as specified by the Bible) that were alive at the time of the flood died because of the flood, aside from those that were saved on the Ark.
All creatures that were NOT on the Ark, that died before the flood, died after Adam's creation.
Remember, Earth was still a lush paradise (fallen, yet still a paradise), despite how wicked man became.
Noah did everything God told him to do. The fact that the rest of the creatures died is not because of any disobedience from Noah.
Not sure why this is so hard to understand....
Of the kinds that were on the Ark, some died after leaving it (not right away, but the kinds over time went extinct), because they were unable to adapt to the new environment of the post-flood world.
7djengo7
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But what you said is that
To take ALL air-breathing animals onto the ark would be to take EVERY air-breathing animal onto the ark. So, either you misspoke when you said "all air breathing animals" or you meant every air-breathing animal.
What (if anything) do you mean by your word, "species"? We do not find it in Genesis. Since Moses, the author of Genesis, does not say your word, "species," obviously he does not mean anything by your word, "species".
Right Divider
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It explains why they are all gone and why Darwinists are so confused about where they came from.That's probably the truest thing I have read today
iouae
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So, in other words JR you don't know when the 99% died. There is no explanation for their death. If they had come to Noah they would have been saved, but somehow they did not do that. Its the greatest mass-murder-mystery.
It looks as if you haven't done any thinking about what has been presented.
iouae
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Another thing. If all animals now being discovered as fossils lived simultaneously pre-flood, earth would have been100 times more crowded. That would have meant 100 times more competition for the limited herbs, and 100 times more competition for prey. Earth would have been hell not paradise. And God would not have had to frighten Adam with thorns. Adam would have been terrified of the dinosaurs roaming outside Eden, he would have welcomed the thorns to make a boma (enclosure) to keep them out.