Is there any obvious evidence today for the biblical global Flood?

[JudgeRightly]

@Yorzhik In case you missed it:

Here, I found it, 23:00, starting at 21:40:

 

[marke]

It's a figure of speech. It most certainly could be talking about a canopy.

The fossil record shows us that the whole earth was once tropical, something that likely could not have been possible without the canopy. The Berezovka mammoth was rapidly frozen while eating tropical vegetation, indicating a massive sudden plunge in temperature, instantly producing the freezing cold weather existing in polar regions from that day until now.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The fossil record shows us that the whole earth was once tropical, something that likely could not have been possible without the canopy.

Because you say so?

The Berezovka mammoth was rapidly frozen while eating tropical vegetation, indicating a massive sudden plunge in temperature, instantly producing the freezing cold weather existing in polar regions from that day until now.

The reason the Berezovka mammoth was frozen while eating tropical vegetation was due to the fact that he originally lived in a tropical region on the earth, at lower latitudes than where he was found.

The reason he was found where he was is due to the fact that the earth rolled during the flood.

See? No need for a canopy.

 

[marke]

Because you say so?

The reason the Berezovka mammoth was frozen while eating tropical vegetation was due to the fact that he originally lived in a tropical region on the earth, at lower latitudes than where he was found.

The reason he was found where he was is due to the fact that the earth rolled during the flood.

See? No need for a canopy.

I don't agree. The Berezovka was frozen so suddenly by extremely cold temperatures that green vegetation was still in its mouth and the contents of its stomach remained undigested and undecayed. The mammoth was not in a cold climate before it was frozen, the cold enveloped him in a moment. Furthermore, evidence shows the mammoth died of asphyxiation, not drowning, and not external physical trauma.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't agree. The Berezovka was frozen so suddenly by extremely cold temperatures that green vegetation was still in its mouth and the contents of its stomach remained undigested and undecayed. The mammoth was not in a cold climate before it was frozen, the cold enveloped him in a moment. Furthermore, evidence shows the mammoth died of asphyxiation, not drowning, and not external physical trauma.

All of this is addressed in the video.

 

[Right Divider]

The fossil record shows us that the whole earth was once tropical, something that likely could not have been possible without the canopy.

The fossil record shows no such thing.

The Berezovka mammoth was rapidly frozen while eating tropical vegetation, indicating a massive sudden plunge in temperature, instantly producing the freezing cold weather existing in polar regions from that day until now.

No, it does not.

 

[Idolater]

If the crust of the earth was rock, how did soil originate?

We would have to assume that God created some soil on the top of the crust.

I don't think that's much of an assumption. He made a garden. Gardens are bedded with soil. What I mean is, the Scripture almost explicitly said that He made soil, when it explicitly does say, that He made plants and a garden. Soil is what plants live in, and what gardens are bedded with.

 

[Right Divider]

I don't think that's much of an assumption. He made a garden. Gardens are bedded with soil. What I mean is, the Scripture almost explicitly said that He made soil, when it explicitly does say, that He made plants and a garden. Soil is what plants live in, and what gardens are bedded with.

I didn't say that it was a weak or vague assumption. But since it's not explicitly stated, it's still an assumption.

 

[Idolater]

I didn't say that it was a weak or vague assumption. But since it's not explicitly stated, it's still an assumption.

And my post wasn't belligerent. Hence the smilie.

 

[marke]

Because you say so?



The reason the Berezovka mammoth was frozen while eating tropical vegetation was due to the fact that he originally lived in a tropical region on the earth, at lower latitudes than where he was found.

The reason he was found where he was is due to the fact that the earth rolled during the flood.

See? No need for a canopy.

Good video. I don't find fault with any of what is presented. However, the video does not say there could not possibly have been a water canopy surrounding the earth corresponding to Gen 1.

Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Good video. I don't find fault with any of what is presented.

And then you find fault with it...

However, the video does not say there could not possibly have been a water canopy surrounding the earth corresponding to Gen 1.

There could not have been one, violation of physics, and it would boil all life on earth.

Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

This is talking about the crust of the earth.

 

[Derf]

The HPT and any canopy theory are incompatible.

Can you elaborate on this? Why can't there be things that exist but aren't mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Stripe]

So we don't get "space dust" landing on our topsoil.

I'm sure there is.

But it doesn't offset the shrinkage.

 

[marke]

And then you find fault with it...



There could not have been one, violation of physics, and it would boil all life on earth.



This is talking about the crust of the earth.

I believe the waters above the firmament were waters that were above ground in the sky. I don't think mere human minds, no matter how brilliant or well educated, can easily grasp that concept.

 

[Idolater]

I believe the waters above the firmament were waters that were above ground in the sky. I don't think mere human minds, no matter how brilliant or well educated, can easily grasp that concept.

Clouds.

 

[Derf]

Here's my viewpoint of the firmament of Genesis 1.

Starts out with one body of waters called the deep.
And the waters were then divided with an expanse.

(6) And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”​

(7) And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so.​

(8) And God called the expanse Heaven. [H8064]​

(9) And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens [H8064] be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.​

(10) God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.​

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(26) Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens [H8064] and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”​

Dry land did not appear until the waters were separated above and below the expanse.
So all land was within water (not dry) until it was separated by the expanse so it could become "dry" when the waters under the expanse were gathered to form seas.
It is the dry land that is called "earth".
The expanse is the area that would be called "Heaven" (above the earth that would become "dry" and above the seas that were gathered).
That still leaves the waters above the expanse.

The one thing I would suggest changing is that the expanse/firmament was called "Heavens". The singular usage in that one place is a translation mistake, in my opinion, since the plural is what is used throughout Gen 1 in the Hebrew.

 

[marke]

Clouds.

I agree. Clouds could explain lots of things, like blocking harmful rays that could cause increases in health problems or whatever. The real problem with the Berezovka is the fact that the mammoth was frozen solid instantaneously while eating tropical vegetation. Something effected an atmospheric temperature drop of more than 200 degrees in seconds, implying a super fast rush of extremely cold wind.

 

[Derf]

I believe the waters above the firmament were waters that were above ground in the sky. I don't think mere human minds, no matter how brilliant or well educated, can easily grasp that concept.

I would suggest it's more likely the waters above are higher than the "sky", more fitting with above "space" in our modern terminology. The plural of "heaven" used in Gen 1 seems to indicate something at least to the 2nd heaven (to make use of the plural), compared to Paul's reference to the 3rd heaven in 2 Cor 12:2, where God's throne is supposed to be. Jesus ascended to heaven--not just into the "sky", but continued until hidden by clouds, which would normally be beyond where birds fly. Birds fly on the "face" (surface) of the firmament of the heavens.
Genesis 1:20 (NKJV) Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

 

[Right Divider]

I agree. Clouds could explain lots of things, like blocking harmful rays that could cause increases in health problems or whatever. The real problem with the Berezovka is the fact that the mammoth was frozen solid instantaneously while eating tropical vegetation. Something effected an atmospheric temperature drop of more than 200 degrees in seconds, implying a super fast rush of extremely cold wind.

HPT explains this very easily. It was not "a super fast rush of extremely cold wind", it was extremely cold hail.

 

[Tambora]

The one thing I would suggest changing is that the expanse/firmament was called "Heavens". The singular usage in that one place is a translation mistake, in my opinion, since the plural is what is used throughout Gen 1 in the Hebrew.

I don't think it matters about the singular and plural use since "Heaven" in verse 8 is used like a proper name for the whole expanse (heavens).
Akin to referring to all lands as "Land", or all of man (mankind) as "Man".

But I'm open to other options.