glorydaz
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Because we were saved under a different Gospel.Why wouldn't they deserve the same punishment as any other that has rebelled against Him by choosing another god to place their faith in?
Because we were saved under a different Gospel.Why wouldn't they deserve the same punishment as any other that has rebelled against Him by choosing another god to place their faith in?
Lots of places in the OT, but I like this one. Zech. 8:23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.Where does it say Israel was to be the spokes nation to the Gentiles?
Here is a prophecy that relates:Where does it say Israel was to be the spokes nation to the Gentiles?
Zech 8:23 (KJV)
(8:23) Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.
That prophesy tells how Gentiles recognize that the true Most High God is the God of Israel.Here is a prophecy that relates:
I never said it was "because Israel told them so". But they (the ten mentioned) were following the Jew to learn about God.That prophesy tells how Gentiles recognize that the true Most High God is the God of Israel.
Not because Israel told them so, but because God demonstrated it.
It is Paul talking to Gentiles!Members of the Body cannot be cut off from Him. That passage isn't about the Body.
I propose that they have heard of or saw the mighty deeds YHWH (the God of Israel) has done and they have decided to choose the winning God.I never said it was "because Israel told them so". But they (the ten mentioned) were following the Jew to learn about God.
"saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you."
Did they hear wrong (i.e., that God was with them [the Jews])?
Here is a prophecy that relates:
You folks read a lot into scripture that isn't even remotely there. Do you have a playbook you consult? Because all I get are the same scriptures over and over.Lots of places in the OT, but I like this one. Zech. 8:23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Temporarily...
Instead the lot fell on us.
2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
We are saved by the same gospel Abraham had ---- believing faith without works.Because we were saved under a different Gospel.
Where does it say Israel was to be the spokes nation to the Gentiles?
You folks read a lot into scripture that isn't even remotely there. Do you have a playbook you consult? Because all I get are the same scriptures over and over.
The Apostles were certainly telling them. That is when the kingdom preaching started. It's also when the gentiles were hearing.That prophesy tells how Gentiles recognize that the true Most High God is the God of Israel.
Not because Israel told them so, but because God demonstrated it.
Abraham did not have faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ in order to be saved.We are saved by the same gospel Abraham had ---- believing faith without works.
Just as Paul tells us.
Surely you don't think that could only apply to people 2000 years later when Paul lived.
Paul also tells us the law that came afterwards (after Abe was justified by believing faith without works) could not annul believing faith without works.
Could not annul for Abe, or Isaac, or Jacob, or the 12 tribes, or anyone.
Yep, our playbook is the Bible. Please try it. It's so much better than your imagination.You folks read a lot into scripture that isn't even remotely there. Do you have a playbook you consult? Because all I get are the same scriptures over and over.
There ya go!Yep, our playbook is the Bible.
None of the works he did or didn't do afterward could annul him being justified by believing faith alone.The Apostles were certainly telling them. That is when the kingdom preaching started. It's also when the gentiles were hearing.
Abraham did not have faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
The fact that Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness did not stop Him from being required to perform works. Nor did it mean he wouldn't be required to wait until the times of refreshing to have his sins blotted out.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Acts. 3:
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Hebrews 11:13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
If we don't know how to rightly divide the word of God, we end up with a jumbled mess that makes no sense whatsoever.There ya go!
I wish everyone would approach the Bible without any baggage of MADism, Calvinism, universalism, etc.
Because once you get saddled with one of them then you start trying to force scripture to comply to the ism.
So then if Abraham turned from God to worship idols, he'd still be fine?None of the works he did or didn't do afterward could annul him being justified by believing faith alone.
Romans chapter 4 gives a lot of detail about it.
When I read that portion of scripture it looks like Paul is speaking of the covenants and promises.We are saved by the same gospel Abraham had ---- believing faith without works.
Just as Paul tells us.
Surely you don't think that could only apply to people 2000 years later when Paul lived.
Paul also tells us the law that came afterwards (after Abe was justified by believing faith without works) could not annul believing faith without works.
Could not annul for Abe, or Isaac, or Jacob, or the 12 tribes, or anyone.
Now you're lying or ignorant.We are saved by the same gospel Abraham had ---- believing faith without works.
Just as Paul tells us.