ECT Y do some Protestants have women in authority o/ men?

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The Bible tells us that women should not have authority over men.

Yet some Protestant "churches" have women for pastors

some may not go that far, but they let women preach. Well, I am not against women giving speeches, but I don't think they should exactly "preach"

I'm still thinking about that, though... I wouldn't mind hearing a woman "preach" as long as she... well, doesn't preach anything heretical... But I know one thing: no woman should be a pastor w/ authority over men...

I'm somewhat a (PRO LIFE) feminist, but I draw the line here..


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republicanchick said:
The Bible tells us that women should not have authority over men.

Yet some Protestant "churches" have women for pastors

some may not go that far, but they let women preach. Well, I am not against women giving speeches, but I don't think they should exactly "preach"

I'm still thinking about that, though... I wouldn't mind hearing a woman "preach" as long as she... well, doesn't preach anything heretical... But I know one thing: no woman should be a pastor w/ authority over men...

I'm somewhat a (PRO LIFE) feminist, but I draw the line here..


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Is Mother Angelica over some of the brothers at EWTN?
 
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Culture back then was different than today. Today, woman are allowed to proclaim the gospel just as well as men. No differnce at all. You need a church that is up to times.
 
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Women can evangelize, and they can teach children and other women. But men are to be pastors. The bible says they must be the husband of one wife. Not the wife of one husband. Evangelizing and pastoring aren't the same thing.
 
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revpete said:
I think the word usurp is key here.
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Hey, Pete, maybe you can help. I know the Greek word for woman is gyne, but if you know Greek what is the Greek word for wife?

If we can find out then we can have a discussion.
 
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Daniel1611 said:
Women can evangelize, and they can teach children and other women. But men are to be pastors. The bible says they must be the husband of one wife. Not the wife of one husband. Evangelizing and pastoring aren't the same thing.
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What about a minister? Can a woman be a minister based on the Greek diakonos?
 
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jamie said:
What about a minister? Can a woman be a minister based on the Greek diakonos?
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A pastor, a minister, a bishop. These are all basically the same and they are to be men. Women can evangelize the lost but men are to be pastors. That's not thus saith Daniel1611. That's what the bible says.
 
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Puppet said:
Culture back then was different than today. Today, woman are allowed to proclaim the gospel just as well as men. No differnce at all. You need a church that is up to times.
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The culture argument is the slipperiest slope of all.
 
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Daniel1611 said:
A pastor, a minister, a bishop. These are all basically the same and they are to be men. Women can evangelize the lost but men are to be pastors. That's not thus saith Daniel1611. That's what the bible says.
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Surely you jest.

I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea. (Romans 16:1 NKJV)
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The word "servant" is the Greek diakonos which is translated 20 times in the KJV as minister, 8 times as servant, 3 times as deacon.
 
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jamie said:
Surely you jest.

I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea. (Romans 16:1 NKJV)
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The word "servant" is the Greek diakonos which is translated 20 times in the KJV as minister, 8 times as servant, 3 times as deacon.
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Servant and deacon is not pastor. Minister is not necessarily pastor. The bible uses pastor and bishop to mean pastor.
 
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Daniel1611 said:
Servant and deacon is not pastor. Minister is not necessarily pastor. The bible uses pastor and bishop to mean pastor.
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Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. (1 Timothy 3:12 NKJV)​

What were you saying about being the husband of one wife? Whose husband was Phoebe?
 
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republicanchick said:
The Bible tells us that women should not have authority over men.

Yet some Protestant "churches" have women for pastors

some may not go that far, but they let women preach. Well, I am not against women giving speeches, but I don't think they should exactly "preach"

I'm still thinking about that, though... I wouldn't mind hearing a woman "preach" as long as she... well, doesn't preach anything heretical... But I know one thing: no woman should be a pastor w/ authority over men...

I'm somewhat a (PRO LIFE) feminist, but I draw the line here..


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I said
I'm shocked. Most women run from any conversations about women. Or they rebel. But your facing it head on. God bless you.


Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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Daniel1611 said:
Women can evangelize, and they can teach children and other women. But men are to be pastors. The bible says they must be the husband of one wife. Not the wife of one husband. Evangelizing and pastoring aren't the same thing.
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Requirements to be a pastor is to be married. Yeah right. Funny Fundies.
 
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musterion said:
The culture argument is the slipperiest slope of all.
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Paul was referring to something else in a different way, nothing like today. This type of knowledge is common today. Not literal today cause it meant something totally different from what you see on the surface of the bible.
 
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In Paul's day women were not allowed to enter the Temple grounds beyond the Court of Women. There were no women rabbis.

It was a man's world thanks to Mosaic law.
 
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