ECT Who is the Predestined?

Jerry Shugart

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When we look at the following passage we can see that the "called" are believers (them that love God) and it is those who are already believe who are predestined:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" (Ro.8:28-29).​

The key to the teaching of this passage depends on an understanding of the meaning of the Greek word translated "for" found at the beginning of verse twenty-nine. The word is a conjuction which ties the two verses together, and the word means "the reason why anything is said to be or be done..it is added to a speaker's words to show what ground he gives for his opinion" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

Here is another translation which makes the meaning even more clear:

"And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose, because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters"
(Ro.8:28-29).​

At Romans 8:29 Paul tells us why he says that "all things work together for good" for the saved, those he describes as the called: "because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son."

The reason why "all things work together for good" in regard to the saved is because the saved are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son. That will happen when the Lord descends from heaven and the saved will put on bodies just like his glorious body:

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body"
(Phil.3:20-21).

When the word "predestination" is used in regard to the destiny of man the meaning is that those who are already saved will, in the future, put on a body just like the Lord Jesus' body.

The word does not mean that some people are predestined to be saved and others are not.
 

beloved57

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jerry

When we look at the following passage we can see that the "called" are believers (them that love God) and it is those who are already believe who are predestined:


False statement
 

beloved57

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[h=2]Who is the Predestined?[/h]

Them He forknew: Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 

Jerry Shugart

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False. The statement you made isn't in scripture!

Please go back to my initial post on this thread and you will see what I said is supported by the Scriptures.

What you say is supported by NOTHING except you say it is true!

And who are you?
 

beloved57

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Please go back to my initial post on this thread and you will see what I said is supported by the Scriptures.

What you say is supported by NOTHING except you say it is true!

And who are you?

I quoted the portion of your post which you stated something. That something you stated, I quoted, isnt in the scripture. Its something you made up, a false statement !
 

Jerry Shugart

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I quoted the portion of your post which you stated something. That something you stated, I quoted, isnt in the scripture. Its something you made up, a false statement !

Here is all you said but it proves nothing:

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Are you arguing that the Lord did not foreknow those who are saved? Or what is going through your confused mind?
 
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