ECT Where is the Evidence Which Supports the Idea of Only One Gospel?

[Jerry Shugart]

There are many people on this forum who scream over and over that there has only been one gospel. But when asked to prove it from the Bible they come up empty-handed. The best they can do is to quote this passage:

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal.1:6-8).​

Paul does not say that there is only one gospel. He knew that there were two gospels and he also knew that those preaching the other gospel would not be preaching that gospel to the Gentiles:

"...they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter...when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" (Gal.2:7,9).​

So there is nothing written at Galatians 1:6-8 that proves that only one gospel was preached during the Acts period.

These same people who deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

Sir Robert Anderson describes those people here:

"In no other sphere save that of religion do men of intelligence and culture willingly subject their minds to delusions. The historic Church once tried to compel belief that this planet was the fixed centre of the solar system; but who believes it now? Men cannot be made to believe that water runs uphill, or that five and five make anything but ten. In no other sphere can they be induced to stultify reason and common sense. But in religion there seems to be no limit to their credulity" (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 61).​

That perfectly describes our brethren in tin foil hats!

 

[DAN P]

There are many people on this forum who scream over and over that there has only been one gospel. But when asked to prove it from the Bible they come up empty-handed. The best they can do is to quote this passage:

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal.1:6-8).​

Paul does not say that there is only one gospel. He knew that there were two gospels and he also knew that those preaching the other gospel would not be preaching that gospel to the Gentiles:

"...they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter...when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" (Gal.2:7,9).​

So there is nothing written at Galatians 1:6-8 that proves that only one gospel was preached during the Acts period.

These same people who deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

Sir Robert Anderson describes those people here:

"In no other sphere save that of religion do men of intelligence and culture willingly subject their minds to delusions. The historic Church once tried to compel belief that this planet was the fixed centre of the solar system; but who believes it now? Men cannot be made to believe that water runs uphill, or that five and five make anything but ten. In no other sphere can they be induced to stultify reason and common sense. But in religion there seems to be no limit to their credulity" (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 61).​

That perfectly describes our brethren in tin foil hats!

Hi and Rom 1:1 is a good starter and if you anti-Pauline it means Paul was CALLED apostle , HAVING BEEN SEPARATED for God's gospel !!

SEPARATED / APERRIZO is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the PARTICIPLE MOOD !!

This calling began at Paul's salvation in Acts 9:6 and CONTINUED until Paul's death in ROME !!

Paul was chose for GOD'S GOSPEL and not the 12 as they could NEVER be in the Body of Christ as referenced in Gal 3:28 , NO Jews , Greeks , Bond or Free and no MALES and Females , yes I am correct , so where are you ??

dan p

 

[Interplanner]

It's a ridiculous post Jerry. He never mentions 2 gospels. The grammar of Gal 2 does not allow it. Yes, sometimes he refers to his but that's because he was married to it in his heart. Other signficant times is it simple the Gospel (2 Tim 2, Rom 16). There is one Lord, one faith, one body, etc. One gospel. There are no indications of strife or trouble from separate gospels because there are none.

There is the impoverishing message of Acts 15:2 which is blasted.

You are still not interacting rationally with the sign of Jonah and a number of other passages such as 'the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.' Why don't you cry fowl about JB speaking such mistaken things. As long as you don't, I consider you brain-dead.

It is a very stupid, contentious, brain-dead post.

 

[dodge]

Jerry Shugart;5024087]There are many people on this forum who scream over and over that there has only been one gospel. But when asked to prove it from the Bible they come up empty-handed. The best they can do is to quote this passage:

No problem here is more scripture for you to take out of context and pervert.

Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

If Paul preached the faith He once destroyed, how can it be a "different gospel"?
Not a single quote from the one ( Jesus) who brought the gospel. Your priorities are corrupted.

john 14:6 Jesus said, " I am the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by me". Imagine that NOT ONE word about Paul being needed to know and follow Jesus.

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal.1:6-8).

Another good verse that exposes the lies and deceptions of MAD.

Paul does not say that there is only one gospel. He knew that there were two gospels and he also knew that those preaching the other gospel would not be preaching that gospel to the Gentiles:

Yes actually he did !

Paul said if any bring any other gospel let him be accursed. By that lack of study and thought MADist have condemned Peter and all of the other Apostles as cursed by Paul.Ultimately I guess the MADist , based on their distortions,will ultimately condemn Jesus as accursed for preaching a different gospel than Paul.

I follow Jesus who Paul said to follow and I pray you will wake up from your slumber and do the same.

"...they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter...when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision"

(Gal.2:7,9)

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Peter brought the gospel to the Jews and Paul brought the gospel to the gentiles. Same gospel as there is only one way anyone can be saved , and that is by placing their faith in the finished work of Jesus as payment for their sins.

So there is nothing written at Galatians 1:6-8 that proves that only one gospel was preached during the Acts period.

Hello Galatians 1:6-8 is not the whole of the bible.

You hang all off your beliefs solely on taking one or two verses out of context and force, by taking out of context, the rest of the whole bible into the lie of MAD.

These same people who deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

The gospel was understood as those who were exposed to the gospel grew and matured in that truth. There is still only one gospel as scripture teaches.

Sir Robert Anderson describes those people here:

In no other sphere save that of religion do men of intelligence and culture willingly subject their minds to delusions. The historic Church once tried to compel belief that this planet was the fixed centre of the solar system; but who believes it now? Men cannot be made to believe that water runs uphill, or that five and five make anything but ten. In no other sphere can they be induced to stultify reason and common sense. But in religion there seems to be no limit to their credulity"[/I] (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 61).[/INDENT]

The above quote perfectly describes MADist.

That perfectly describes our brethren in tin foil hats!

Nope, but it does describe those who have bought into the LIES and DECEPTIONS of MAD.

 

[Interplanner]

Jerry,
let's try something related but I don't think has been asked:

did Israel know its Messiah was going to die? We are talking things like Ps 22, Is 53, Dan 9's cutting off. Did they know or did they suppress? Why is it standard thought in Judaism that these lines are not about Christ but are about the exile?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

our brethren in tin foil hats deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

None of them have been able to explain how the Twelve could be preaching the death of the Lord Jesus since at that time they didn't even know that He was going to die.

 

[dodge]

our brethren in tin foil hats deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

None of them have been able to explain how the Twelve could be preaching the death of the Lord Jesus since at that time they didn't even know that He was going to die.

You are a product of making an idol out of Paul and placing no importance or reverence on what He who was the gospel taught. Your loss not mine,sadly.

Your pope Paul would disapprove as he said to follow Jesus just as he did.

 

[dodge]

our brethren in tin foil hats deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

None of them have been able to explain how the Twelve could be preaching the death of the Lord Jesus since at that time they didn't even know that He was going to die.

Your one or two verses is NOT the whole of scripture. You ignore the obvious to major on a lie.

 

[Interplanner]

When was the last time someone used a tin hat...

Jerry: did Israel in the 1st century or even in the IT period think that Messiah was going to suffer?

 

[glorydaz]

Doesn't seem that difficult to me. Repent and be baptised is not the same as believe unto salvation.

It's no wonder we see people like God's Untruth trying to mix water and oil....confusion reigns.

 

[glorydaz]

our brethren in tin foil hats deny that two different gospels say that the gospel which the Twelve preached at Luke 9:6 was the same gospel which declares the death of the Lord Jesus for sins despite the fact that at that time the Twelve did not even know that the Lord Jesus was going to die.

None of them have been able to explain how the Twelve could be preaching the death of the Lord Jesus since at that time they didn't even know that He was going to die.

They don't understand that the twelve were looking for a King to sit on a throne, instead of a suffering servant who would die and be raised from the dead. They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Paul preached the Gospel of Salvation. How difficult is that?

 

[intojoy]

They don't understand that the twelve were looking for a King to sit on a throne, instead of a suffering servant who would die and be raised from the dead. They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Paul preached the Gospel of Salvation. How difficult is that?

The gospel of the kingdom can not save


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[intojoy]

Stop listening to to blood moon hagee


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[glorydaz]

The gospel of the kingdom can not save

Save from what?

 

[glorydaz]

Stop listening to to blood moon hagee


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I hate rap.

 

[Danoh]

The gospel of the kingdom can not save


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Sure it can.

Within that aspect of the gospel of Christ that was prophesied: that concerns God's dealings with the nation Israel; that is known as the gospel of the Kingdom: said aspect can save Israel from...

What ever enemy nation as a foreign power over Israel God might temporarily allow to rule over their nation for their disobedience.

And it can save Israel from...

Any foreign power wanting to interfere with their God-given self-rule (once God has restored Israel).

And it can save Israel from their sins - both as individuals, and collectively: as the only, actual "one nation under God" in all history to this very day.

Would that some would actually pause at each of the following passages; actually allowing each word and phrase to witness their intended truth...

Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

1:76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

1:78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[Danoh]

The gospel of the kingdom?

Its' intended end result?

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yes, sometimes he refers to his but that's because he was married to it in his heart.

:chuckle:

 

[Interplanner]

They don't understand that the twelve were looking for a King to sit on a throne, instead of a suffering servant who would die and be raised from the dead. They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Paul preached the Gospel of Salvation. How difficult is that?

Very difficult. in first century Judea, you could not go around talking about a civic corporeal kingdom in the open. Not only was there the way Herod did things about competitors, there was extensive tension between zealots and Roman admin all through the period. You would be impounded for doing so.

That's just one of the fantasies of D'ism with its almost brain-dead sense of 1st century history. It's still flannel graph characters from Sunday School rooms!

The message preached was that God reigns ANYWAY because of the sending of the Lamb of God. There is no shift later. There is the vacillation of the disciples and their suppression of the Gospel, since many were raised in fear of zealots or were zealots. But there are not two offers to Israel. There are not two gospels at two different times. The text is completely unaware of such folly.

Hopefully someday this will clear up the songs of Lk 1-2. That's real believers speaking about Israel, not zealots trying to overthrow Rome. Real believers who realize the Lamb has come to give forgiveness, 1:77, which would not have concerned Rome one piece of snot. Those songs are not about a kingdom for Israel as they thought, and he hid himself when they tried that trick. He "rode triumphant" on the most worthless animal militarily-speaking into Jerusalem.

Once again, did Israel know its Messiah would suffer from OT Scripture? From Ps 22, Is 53, Dan 9? And then did it suppress it?

 

[dodge]

They don't understand that the twelve were looking for a King to sit on a throne, instead of a suffering servant who would die and be raised from the dead. They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Paul preached the Gospel of Salvation. How difficult is that?

WRONG:

Luk 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,