What is the Gospel?
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genuineoriginal
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You should read the book of Acts.
Acts 19:8 8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. |
Because it's a cop out and doesn't make any sense.
God has continually sent messengers, but they were mistreated and killed.....Christians are saying that being mistreated and killed was their message. :hammer:
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Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God. It was prophesied in the Old Testament that Jesus would be mistreated and killed. It was the plan before the creation of the world.
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Peter and Paul taught the same message, just to different people.
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except when Peter caved in to another gospel
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Same gospel from different Apostles to different people at that time. Since the foundation has been laid, Jews and Gentiles do not need different Apostles to learn from, as many here do. Read and learn from all the Apostles!
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Peter was afraid of the Jews.
And now, for which all of TOL has been waiting, the great saint John W steps on stage, to remove the fog, for the sheep, the babes, not the wolves, since they are too hungry to focus on the book...
Nowhere in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, at least prior to the desth, burial, resurrection, will you find 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV being preached as the "good news", the basis for our salvation and justification.
Nowhere.
Consider this. You cannot preach what you do not know. You cannot believe that which you do not know.
During the Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, the apostles and disciples had no knowledge of his impending, death, burial, and resurrection:
"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21 KJV
"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31 KJV
Comment: Obviously, Peter was attempting to prevent the Lord's death, the very death that would reconcile him! If the death, burial, and resurrection was the grounds for Peter's salvation and justification(as Paul expounds on in his epistles), why was Peter trying to prevent the very thing that would be the basis for his justification? See also John 18:10 KJV. Did he ever preach 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV ? If he had, his rebuke of the Lord would be a non-sensical reaction!
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is
delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after thathe is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31 KJV
"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...." Luke 24:45 KJV
Read it:
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV
Comment: Notice they did not know it or understand it prior to His
death! They were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, they initially did
not believe it:
"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17 KJV
"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11 KJV
"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11 KJV
" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41 KJV
And what is the simple reason for 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV not being preached?:
"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." 1 Cor. 2:7 KJV
Even the prophets did not understand it:
"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
"Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." 1 Peter 1:10-12 KJV
The gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV:
-death-Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, the very death that would reconcile him.
-burial
-resurrection-Peter, and the 10, initially did not believe that He rose.
And yet they were preaching, for approximately 3 years, "the gospel of the kingdom." They were clueless that He was going to die, and be raised, all while preaching "the gospel of the kingdom."
It was hid from them-and yet, they were preaching "the gospel of the kingdon" for approx. 3 years..
Again-Luke 18 KJV:
31Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Read it: "Then"=years after they began preaching the gospel of the kingdom, when they were clueless that He would:
-die
-be resurrected
Read it-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV:
-death
-burial
-resurrection
Even satan did not know of the implications of the dbr:
1 Cor. 2:
6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
This is part of the mystery revealed to Paul via direct revelation from the risen, ascended, glorified "Lord from heaven."
Peter, according to most rebels:" Hey everyone! Good news! The master is going to die, be raised again for our justification! Believe this "good news" I am preaching, "the gospel of the kingdom," which the master told me, and the 11 to preach, including that great "the gospel" preacher Judas, to be justified!!! Well, gotta go, as I hear the master is about to talk about His impending death, and I need to prevent this, even though it will reconcile me, and He is also talking about His resurrection, which, it turns out, I won't believe, initially, after it happens...........
Straight jacket time.
EOT. CLOSED. DOA. RIP. QED.
Nowhere in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, at least prior to the desth, burial, resurrection, will you find 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV being preached as the "good news", the basis for our salvation and justification.
Nowhere.
Consider this. You cannot preach what you do not know. You cannot believe that which you do not know.
During the Lord Jesus Christ's earthly ministry, the apostles and disciples had no knowledge of his impending, death, burial, and resurrection:
"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21 KJV
"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31 KJV
Comment: Obviously, Peter was attempting to prevent the Lord's death, the very death that would reconcile him! If the death, burial, and resurrection was the grounds for Peter's salvation and justification(as Paul expounds on in his epistles), why was Peter trying to prevent the very thing that would be the basis for his justification? See also John 18:10 KJV. Did he ever preach 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV ? If he had, his rebuke of the Lord would be a non-sensical reaction!
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is
delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after thathe is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31 KJV
"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day...." Luke 24:45 KJV
Read it:
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV
Comment: Notice they did not know it or understand it prior to His
death! They were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, they initially did
not believe it:
"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17 KJV
"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11 KJV
"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11 KJV
" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41 KJV
And what is the simple reason for 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV not being preached?:
"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." 1 Cor. 2:7 KJV
Even the prophets did not understand it:
"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
"Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." 1 Peter 1:10-12 KJV
The gospel of the kingdom is not equivalent to 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV:
-death-Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, the very death that would reconcile him.
-burial
-resurrection-Peter, and the 10, initially did not believe that He rose.
And yet they were preaching, for approximately 3 years, "the gospel of the kingdom." They were clueless that He was going to die, and be raised, all while preaching "the gospel of the kingdom."
It was hid from them-and yet, they were preaching "the gospel of the kingdon" for approx. 3 years..
Again-Luke 18 KJV:
31Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Read it: "Then"=years after they began preaching the gospel of the kingdom, when they were clueless that He would:
-die
-be resurrected
Read it-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV:
-death
-burial
-resurrection
Even satan did not know of the implications of the dbr:
1 Cor. 2:
6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
This is part of the mystery revealed to Paul via direct revelation from the risen, ascended, glorified "Lord from heaven."
Peter, according to most rebels:" Hey everyone! Good news! The master is going to die, be raised again for our justification! Believe this "good news" I am preaching, "the gospel of the kingdom," which the master told me, and the 11 to preach, including that great "the gospel" preacher Judas, to be justified!!! Well, gotta go, as I hear the master is about to talk about His impending death, and I need to prevent this, even though it will reconcile me, and He is also talking about His resurrection, which, it turns out, I won't believe, initially, after it happens...........
Straight jacket time.
EOT. CLOSED. DOA. RIP. QED.
:second:
Now cut that out and get back to the nastiness some of these clowns beg for, lol
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Luke 14:11 For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
Jesus taught the guidelines for the new covenant, and he told everyone he would suffer and die for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 24:44 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
Psalm 16:10
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
Matthew 1:22
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
Luke 9:22
And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44
"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men."
Luke 18:31
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
Luke 22:37
It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."
Luke 24:6
He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee:
Luke 24:26
Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?"
Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
Luke 24:46
He told them, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Acts 2:27
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.
Acts 13:40
Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:
...And you think that proves your false gospel how?
Just as Jesus SAID WHILE he walked the earth...you must believe in him to be saved.
There is only one gospel.
Is it because you can't read or you just couldn't find Acts 14:22?
So do you believe Luke contradicts Paul or do you just not believe Acts 14:22?
The plan was to reveal the gospel that gospel was rejected now people say being rejected was the gospel that doesn't make any sense. Jesus never taught forgiveness by human sacrifice .but it does give the primitive mind something to believe in until we can get to the age of Enlightenment when people will return to the original gospel of the kingdom of heaven salvation by faith from a loving God who is our father.
That's the "gospel" I hear in churches: Christ died for our sins, so we can be saved and god to heaven. But this gospel has almost nothing to do with what my Lord taught.
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The kingdom and the body of Christ are the same thing.
Col. 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light. 13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
The good news is that in Christ we are redeemed.
But it was not the "good news." The gospel is the news of the KOG.
But Jesus disagreed.