ECT WHAT DOES GEN 3:15 MEAN ?
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glorydaz
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I'll take a stab at it. Jesus called Barjesus a child of the devil. So, maybe it's the Jews who rejected our Lord when He came...those who crucified Him. The Seed of woman would be Jesus.
Acts 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Hi Glorydaz.
I've seen so many arguments for both sides of differing viewpoints, so if you don't mind if I ask a few questions to get into the details of it ......
Some men being called children of the devil can have a couple of connotations.
1. physical descendant, a child born
2. someone that displays similar characteristics
In other words, one can be a child of Abraham because they are #1. physical descendant or #2. someone that shares his same characteristic of faith.2. someone that displays similar characteristics
Likewise "father of lies" implies that all liars (displaying similar characteristic) are his kids (whether a physical descendant or not).
So, in Genesis 3:15 is it using "seed" as #1 or #2 ?
glorydaz
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Hi and what I would do is read verse 14 and then verse 15 see if these 2 verses can connect !!
dan p
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Her seed was Able. His was Cain.
Them and their direct and or in direct descendents, spiritually.
Able was of God in his spiritual outlook.
Cain was of the Devil, in his spirit spiritual outlook.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Able heard (obeyed) God's words, Cain did not.
Result?
He murdered his brother.
Genesis 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
So the bruising is between the children of God (those who hear or obey Him) and the children of the Devil (those who hear or obey him).
Though this hearing / obeying is a topic in itself.
But the bruising did not end with those two. They were merely a type in a long line of two kinds of children, spiritually.
Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
All being shadows of...
John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1st Advent attempt at solving for it all.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
2nd Advent victory at solving for it all:
Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Romans 5:6-8, in each - our stead.
If "seed" means one of the same spiritual outlook, then the "seed" of the woman would be the one with the same spiritual outlook of the woman (Eve).
What was Eve's spiritual outlook?
Then connect them and let's see what you come up with.
ttruscott
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Please consider that in another place where seeds are a metaphor for people that the good seed are the PEOPLE OF THE KINGDOM (elect), sown into the world by the Son of Man and are probably referred to here as HER SEED,
and the tares or bad seed are the PEOPLE OF THE EVIL ONE (non-elect), sown into the world by the devil, who is probably referred to here as the serpent's seed, the dragon of old found in Rev 12: 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray.
While the seed of the women who is bruised is Christ, it also refers to His lost sheep by metonymy.
Hi and the GOOD TARES and the BAD TARES is explained in Matt, leaving no doubt as to it's meaning !!
dan p
Hey Tam, what's doin - hope you and yours had a great Holiday.
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To answer you - if I understood you properly, that is...
What I "see" is that the emphasis goes - from a focus on between the woman and thee, to a focus on between thy seed and her seed.
The rest of the narrative (the rest of Scripture) is focused on whom - on thy seed, and her seed.
And unfortunately, it was her decided on spiritual outlook or "mind" or focus that helped bring about that mess to begin with.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
She unwittingly made a bad choice - from an unsound outlook the serpent beguiled her into looking at things from.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
She unwittingly allowed her mind or spiritual outlook to be corrupted by that "father of lies."
She "listened" to the wrong "voice."
Obviously, Cain did likewise.
Making him the seed "in spirit" of...
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
This outlook issue is a constant in Scripture.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In conrast to...
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
In contrast to...
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
And so on.
Thank God then, for Romans 5:6-8.
It was wonderful to be with all my family!
Hope your Thanksgiving was pleasant as well.
Well, Cain was a direct descendant of Eve just as Abel was.
But if "seed" is to represent the mindset and not physical descendants, then the "seed" of the woman are those with her mindset instead of her physical descendants.
And the serpent's "seed" would be those with his mindset instead of his physical descendants.
The only two in the verse that their mindset could come from are the woman and the serpent as it is their "seed" (mindset).
No one else's "seed" (mindset) is in the verse.
So which mindset did Cain have ---- the woman's or the serpents?
And which mindset did Abel have --- the woman's or the serpents?
Or let me ask it this way ......
If Christ is the "seed" of the woman, did He have her mindset?
Or is Christ said to be of the seed of the woman because He was a physical descendant of the woman?
iamaberean
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The answer to this question is simple, but it will take some study on your part to understand. This is required to help you with a paradigm shift. Because of this I will just tell you very simply, using just a few scriptures.
Eve was seduced by the serpent, devil, and the result was Cain.
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother
Abel, was the son of Adam, but Seth began the linage to Jesus. All during this time frame and to the present day the children of the wicked one has tried to do away with God,s children by killing or taking control of their lives in various ways.
There are many sites on internet to help in your studies.
"Eve was seduced by the serpent, devil, and the result was Cain". Words fail me...
iamaberean
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I tried to keep it simple because most people don't know the bible. They still believe the children's story of eating an apple. If you would like to add to it, please do!
There was no apple. There was fruit.