Voter Fraud

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Crucible

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Liberals don't want voter identification, or a border wall, because they depend on illegals to support them.

They should be tried for treason.
 

serpentdove

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Felons for Trump !!!...
Pr 8:36, Ex 20:14 :greedy:

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The Horn

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Crucible, "Liberals don't want voter ID , or a border wall because they depend on illegals for support . They should be tried for treason . " ROFLOL !!! That's rich ! Millions of Americans are RIGHTLY opposed to voter ID and a border wall, not because they "rely on illegals" (which they don't), but because building a wall would be totally unrealistic and merely waste billions of taxpayer dollars and voter ID is nothing but a right-wing pretext for ILLEGAL voter suppression .
GOP pols use voter suppression because they know most blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid enough to vote Republican .
How the heck are we going to try millions of Americans for "treason ?"
 

Crucible

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Crucible, "Liberals don't want voter ID , or a border wall because they depend on illegals for support . They should be tried for treason . " ROFLOL !!! That's rich ! Millions of Americans are RIGHTLY opposed to voter ID and a border wall, not because they "rely on illegals" (which they don't), but because building a wall would be totally unrealistic and merely waste billions of taxpayer dollars and voter ID is nothing but a right-wing pretext for ILLEGAL voter suppression .
GOP pols use voter suppression because they know most blacks and Hispanics aren't stupid enough to vote Republican .
How the heck are we going to try millions of Americans for "treason ?"

Building a wall isn't unrealistic, it's perfectly doable and not all that expensive either. The contrary is just a crap claim by liberals who JUST DON'T WANT A WALL.

What's funny is how liberals otherwise don't care about money- you don't care about the national debt and are all about taxes and taking out of people's pockets. So shut it :wave:

Trump has a large Latin demographic supporting him. It's funny how it's just a bunch of liberal white people so concerned about it.
 

Jonahdog

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Building a wall isn't unrealistic, it's perfectly doable and not all that expensive either. The contrary is just a crap claim by liberals who JUST DON'T WANT A WALL.

What's funny is how liberals otherwise don't care about money- you don't care about the national debt and are all about taxes and taking out of people's pockets. So shut it :wave:

Trump has a large Latin demographic supporting him. It's funny how it's just a bunch of liberal white people so concerned about it.

Got a quote for the wall? C'mon, you and the Trumpeteers must have a dollar amount it will cost. After all you will need to collect from Mexico, right?

"Shut it" ohhhh, big scary internet man.

And do you have a citation for the big Latin Trump vote? Over 10%, waddaya think?
 

northwye

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Rigging the 2016 election and the attempt to stop this rigging is where the battle will be fought and won or lost. If Homeland Security is allowed to take over the voting process and the computer counting of the vote and no effort is made to stop voting fraud, then the battle is lost.

Where to concentrate the effort to stop the rigging of the election is not that difficult to figure out. More effort the prevent fraud in voting and the counting of the vote should be done in states expected to have close races between Trump and Clinton, because that is where much of the fraud can be expected.

The electronic voting machines controlled by computer programs can be rigged to change votes and also rigged to count votes to benefit Clinton. Then, the Clinton machine, since the days of Bill as Governor of Arkansas has made use of multiple voting by the same people, specifically brought in to several voting places to give different names in different voting places. This could be stopped by the requirement of photo IDs, but its too late to get that done in many states.

But - many will say that rigging of the 2016 election is just a conspiracy theory and that there has been no rigging of elections in the U.S. or will there be in November.

With no paper trail as was possible with paper ballots there is no way with computer controlled machines to find out to what extent an election has been rigged.

What can be done is to realize that the election in November is so important for the elite that they and/or the Party in power are likely to try rigging it if they can get by doing so. In states expected to have a close vote make sure that people are at all polling places to ask voters after they finish voting who they voted for. Then, if there is a difference between the actual vote reported in a voting Precinct and how the voters said they voted just after voting, fill a lawsuit against those responsible for the
Precinct vote count.

What may happen if Homeland Security and/or other federal agencies take over the voting and counting process they may try to stop this process of voter polling just after voting. It may not be allowed in or near the polling places and those trying to carry it out will be threatened with arrest.

There may be ways to stop much of the multiple voting by the same individuals brought in to polling places by design, and the people who try to stop this may be different from those who ask voters how they voted following their vote. Much of this multiple voting is carried out in large cities with ghetto populations which can be paid small amounts to go vote over and over in different areas.

Groups intending to check on voting to help prevent rigging should find out beforehand what federal or state laws might be used to prevent them from asking voters how they voted just after coming out of the voting places. In some places local police might appear to watch what is going on. And the police are waking up, though there are some who will still work for the elite.
 

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How Much Voter Fraud Is There?
Sept. 18 2012

The result: "analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal." The map above illustrates the number of confirmed voter fraud cases found by News21 dating back to 2000. Out of hundreds of millions of ballots cast, they counted 633 incidents. Among states with voter ID laws on the books, Georgia and Kansas have seen the most prosecutions, with 80 and 97 cases respectively. In Pennsylvania, which may require voters to show identification on Election Day if the state’s Supreme Court does not block the new law from taking effect, the number of fraud cases was just five.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ere_is_in_the_united_states_almost_none_.html
- hundreds of millions of ballots cast, since 2000

- 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases

- 633 confirmed incidents of voter fraud cases

Our conservative "friends" resurrect the specter of voter fraud every 2 years but the data shows that the number of confirmed voter fraud cases has been limited to 633 in the past 16 years.

The Great Gerrymander of 2012
February 2, 2013

HAVING the first modern democracy comes with bugs. Normally we would expect more seats in Congress to go to the political party that receives more votes, but the last election confounded expectations. Democrats received 1.4 million more votes for the House of Representatives, yet Republicans won control of the House by a 234 to 201 margin. This is only the second such reversal since World War II.

Using statistical tools that are common in fields like my own, neuroscience, I have found strong evidence that this historic aberration arises from partisan disenfranchisement. Although gerrymandering is usually thought of as a bipartisan offense, the rather asymmetrical results may surprise you.

Through artful drawing of district boundaries, it is possible to put large groups of voters on the losing side of every election. The Republican State Leadership Committee, a Washington-based political group dedicated to electing state officeholders, recently issued a progress report on Redmap, its multiyear plan to influence redistricting. The $30 million strategy consists of two steps for tilting the playing field: take over state legislatures before the decennial Census, then redraw state and Congressional districts to lock in partisan advantages. The plan was highly successful.

I have developed approaches to detect such shenanigans by looking only at election returns. To see how the sleuthing works, start with the naïve standard that the party that wins more than half the votes should get at least half the seats. In November, five states failed to clear even this low bar: Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

In North Carolina, where the two-party House vote was 51 percent Democratic, 49 percent Republican, the average simulated delegation was seven Democrats and six Republicans. The actual outcome? Four Democrats, nine Republicans — a split that occurred in less than 1 percent of simulations. If districts were drawn fairly, this lopsided discrepancy would hardly ever occur.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=all

There has been rampant "election" fraud on a massive scale, however, and that can be traced directly to those conservative sources who are so quick to accuse the "liberals" of voter fraud - apparently the best defense is a good offense!

Voter fraud does not occur on a scale large enough to influence elections BUT the "reapportioning" of the district House seat boundaries by biased state officials (gerrymandering) every 10 years can be done in such a manner as to predetermine which political party will be rewarded with the majority of the seats, irrespective of the popular vote!
 
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northwye

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http://www.snopes.com/stanford-study-proves-election-fraud-through-exit-poll-discrepancies/

"Two researchers (presumably graduate students) from Stanford University and Tilburg University co-authored a paper asserting they uncovered information suggesting widespread primary election fraud favoring Hillary Clinton had occurred across multiple states."

"The paper was not a "Stanford Study," and its authors acknowledged their claims and research methodology had not been subject to any form of peer review or academic scrutiny."

The universities, including Stanford, are now very much a part of the elite establishment and a part of political correctness. "Peer review" would have taken too long to get this study published in 2016 in the peer review journals.

While rigging of the elections at the national level may not have been significant in a consistent way, in the past, the 2016 election is very much the same revolt as Brexit and the elite have too much to lose in 2016 if Trump wins.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016...brexit-same-revolt-of-western-middle-classes/

"Elites Beware — Trump and Brexit Same ‘Revolt of Western Middle Classes"

"Friday on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports,” the moderator of “Meet The Press” Chuck Todd, said the movement behind presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) voters is the same “revolt of western middle classes” that caused the Brexit vote.

Todd warned “political and media elites” to see it as a “wake up call.”

"The vote — the leave versus stay split in the UK broke along urban and rural lines, just like here when it comes to things like immigration, trade agreements, Trump/Hillary. You know Trump/Clinton. There is a generational split, there is no doubt — but It really comes back at the gut issue. This is a revolt of western middle classes, period, okay? Trump is a result of a revolt, Trump/Sanders were tapping into this and there is a revolt in American middle class."

The American Middle class has been targeted by the Transformational Marxists to diminish, in order to bring in their international collectivist society and world totalitarian government. And it is waking up to this threat.

In addition to the threat of a Trump victory being a cause of 2016 election rigging to insure the victory of the Democratic party apparatus, there is also the history of vote rigging by the Clintons going back to the days when Bill was governor of Arkansas.
 
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