Victim Blaming
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I think in most cases the victim should not be blamed or scrutinized/investigated. They are the victims, all resources should go towards the perp.
For instance if I get mugged walking downtown after I had a few drinks at the casino, I shouldn't be questioned about what I was doing, catch the muggers.
So the molested child should be blamed or scrutinized/investigated as to why he or she allowed rape to happen?
I see that you edited your first response.
"In most cases"? That means there are cases where the victim "should be blamed or scrutinized/investigated". Do tell.
While a promiscuous male or female should be ostracized by society for their lack of morals, your above words have nothing to do with victimization, the topic of this thread.
glorydaz
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Of course some victims can and should be blamed. When a guy falls out of his boat and isn't wearing a life jacket and drowns, he can be blamed. When a guy shoots himself in the leg while cleaning his gun, he can be blamed. When a guy gets beat up after flipping off a bunch of bikers, he can be blamed.
Yes, a person can be a victim to his or her unwise actions. However:
This is taking total responsibility away from the perpetrators. Your wrongful attempt at logic can be used to defend many immoral acts:
"She was not only flirting, but was also wearing a low cut blouse and a short skirt, so she obviously wanted to be raped."
"She left her purse on the car seat with the door unlocked, she deserved to have it stolen." Etc. etc. etc.
That's exactly it. Defense lawyers use this tactic all the time. If they trash the victim, the predator/criminal may not be held liable for his/her actions.
ok doser
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nope
they bear total responsibility for their behavior
the guy who flips them off bears responsibility for his behavior
You could have just as easily been mugged while leaving your house to check the mail or walk to the store.
Thieves, rapists, muggers, murderers have only one excuse: it's what they do.
Until of course their sympathizers begin to look for ways to vindicate their actions.
ok doser
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unless....
you had been warned about the dangers of walking in that section of downtown and chosen to disregard those warnings
yeah the edit was to bold some words. get a life, I said victims should never be blamed or scrutinized - Of course your feeble mind goes directly to child molesters. Learn to read.
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
This is taking total responsibility away from the perpetrators.
Then in a court of law where the bikers are being charged with assault and battery, the victim should also be charged.
The victim's actions will more than likely be taken into account during sentencing, but stating that he has some responsibility in the matter in an attempt to justify the assault, would make any attorney the laughing stock of the court.
Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek in certain matters: Being flipped off would be one of those.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
This is taking total responsibility away from the perpetrators.
Then in a court of law where the bikers are being charged with assault and battery, the victim should also be charged.
The victim's actions will more than likely be taken into account during sentencing, but stating that he has some responsibility in the matter in an attempt to justify the assault, would make any attorney the laughing stock of the court.
Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek in certain matters: Being flipped off would be one of those.
glorydaz
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It's as if there aren't two people involved in a given incident. Cops realize there are cases of "mutual combat" where both people have some fault. Same with divorce cases....both can be at fault. When there are two persons involved, PERSONAL responsibility means two persons could potentially have some fault. The fault of one does not somehow magically erase the faults of the other. Seems like common sense to me. :idunno:
ok doser
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When I do an analogy I try to do one which various people can relate to.
Your bestest friend in the whooooole wide world glorydaz pointed out that people can be victims of this own unwise actions, (cleaning a loaded gun, etc.) aside from that, the responsibility lies totally with the perpetrator.
Iran and many middle eastern countries. Point one out here in the US.
glorydaz
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I don't think it takes anything away from the perp. He bears full responsibility for his own actions. Whatever excuse he may give himself has nothing to do with the facts.
If I'd left my purse on the front seat without locking my doors, I would freely admit I deserved to get it stolen. There are consequences for what I did. A lesson learned. That doesn't change the fact that I would press charges against the guy who stole it if he was caught, because he would deserve to pay the consequences for what he did.
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