toldailytopic: Once a person is saved can they reject that salvation should they chan

[IMJerusha]

That's a rather nasty comment! However, I'll let it slide,
and consider the source! Anyway, the ONLY works I'm
not crazy about, are the ones coming from someone
who believes they're helping themselves stay saved,
or somehow earning their salvation!

You've never received nasty from me, Grosnick and you imagine nasty where there is none. How would you know the difference between someone helping themselves and the power of the Ruach leading someone in obedience?...can you see into their hearts? No, you can't, but you can imagine them helping themselves just as you imagine me being nasty and that's good enough, you'll let reality slide.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Believers have no problem with this, but there is a conditional vs unconditional aspect (vs universalism/OSAS). Accepting the possibility of apostasy because Scripture teaches it does not undermine assurance of believers who know and love Jesus to the end.

Your problem is that you condone Christian Atheists, a mythical creature (or you are forced to adopt an indefensible loop hole that they had fake faith and were never saved...even Calvin had to resort to this nonsense...God deluded them into thinking they were elect, but then threw them in the fire because their apostasy supposedly showed it was a God-sham all along).

You have no TRUE discernment of spiritual matters! You're
lost in a foggy area of your imagination and can't see any
truth before you!

 

[IMJerusha]

IMJ says; (so eloquently I might add) "OSAS means the denial of scads of God's words.

GM says; (However, not as eloquent as Imj) "One can only surmise there is no OSAS if
they're able to misinterpret, those same words!"

Do tell how one misinterprets "My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one." or "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one."

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You've never received nasty from me, Grosnick and you imagine nasty where there is none. And how would you know the difference between someone helping themselves and the power of the Ruach leading someone in obedience?...can you see into their hearts? No, you can't, but you can imagine them helping themselves just as you imagine me being nasty and that's good enough, you'll let the truth slide.

Come on now, you're in denial! There's times when you've baked a bitter pie and served it to those you don't agree with! Glorydaz, comes to mind!

 

[IMJerusha]

You have no TRUE discernment of spiritual matters! You're
lost in a foggy area of your imagination and can't see any
truth before you!

True discernment is not governed by your doctrinal belief but rather by Ruach HaKodesh.

 

[IMJerusha]

Come on now, you're in denial! There's times when you've baked a bitter pie and served it to those you don't agree with! Glorydaz, comes to mind!

Glorydaz comes to your mind quite often Grosnick. :chuckle:

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

True discernment is not governed by your doctrinal belief but rather by Ruach HaKodesh.

The truth of OSAS is in the Scriptures. However, you totally deny
that truth!

 

[StanJ53]

Come on now, you're in denial! There's times when you've baked a bitter pie and served it to those you don't agree with! Glorydaz, comes to mind!

Yeh sorry GD but I've never seen that from IMJ. She's about the least purveyor of bitterness I've seen on TOL.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Glorydaz comes to your mind quite often Grosnick. :chuckle:

The reason is, she's one of a very few, who preach the truth of
the scriptures, on this and other threads! I can't say the same
about you!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Yeh sorry GD but I've never seen that from IMJ. She's about the least purveyor of bitterness I've seen on TOL.

I disagree! We'll agree to disagree, if that's okay with you??

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Stan, perhaps your perception is off! I'd have it checked if I were you!!

 

[StanJ53]

The truth of OSAS is in the Scriptures. However, you totally deny
that truth!

Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?

None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality.

Things Children of God Can Do:
1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13
2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17
3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20
4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11
5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12
6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23
7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1
8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12
9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27
10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14

What about Rev 2:4-5, 3:5 & 16-17?

 

[StanJ53]

I disagree! We'll agree to disagree, if that's okay with you??

Sure GM, that's why I said I've never seen that instead of saying no she isn't.

 

[StanJ53]

Stan, perhaps your perception is off! I'd have it checked if I were you!!

Just got brand new bifocals last Friday. No problem reading at all.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Stan says; "Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?
None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality."

GM says;
Stan, it looks as if you are one of those who trust in Christ AND
yourself! That's what's behind your rationale in the end analysis!

 

[StanJ53]

I don't think so. I just think he was stating the obvious, that voting for Obama is powerful evidence that a person was most likely never saved.

Yeh well I would have voted for Obama if I was a U.S. citizen. Which just shows to go ya how perceptive Nick M is.....NOT!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

There's NO judgement awaiting the true believer, only the gain or
loss of rewards! Once one is, In Christ, they cannot lose what God
has made provision for!

 

[StanJ53]

Then why are we warned to stay the course?
Why are we warned to not shrink back?
Why are we warned to make sure we produce good fruit?

None of this would be required IF OSAS was a reality.

Stan, it looks as if you are one of those who trust in Christ AND
yourself! That's what's behind your rationale in the end analysis!

Well thanks for picking my post apart GM, but no I practice my faith and obey God's Word.
What about all those scriptures I supplied you?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Yeh well I would have voted for Obama if I was a U.S. citizen. Which just shows to go ya how perceptive Nick M is.....NOT!

Stan, you'll probably do better sticking with the political angle!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Well thanks for picking my post apart GM, but no I practice my faith and obey God's Word.
What about all those scriptures I supplied you?

In the scheme of things, would it really matter to you what I thought of those Scriptures?