To The Carnally Minded People

[Squeaky]

Without a verse you only have a theology. Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing.
You people that are trying to argue with me without any support from the Holy Spirit are only hurting yourselves. I have demonstrated how the Holy Spirit operates. And it much different than your doing it. Some of you even run out of sarcasm, you run out of knowledge. I never run out of verses. Because I speak from the verses the Holy Spirit gives me.


John 7:18
18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
(NKJ)

John 8:44-45
44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
45 "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
(NKJ)

Matt 12:33-37
33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
(NKJ)

I have seen some of you start out with a little knowledge and a few verses. Then when the bitterness sets in you slowly start loosing what little you had. God sent me here to demonstrate the Spirit. And I have done that very successfully. So why do you keep destroying your own spirituality?

Luke 8:18
18 "Therefore take heed how you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him."
(NKJ)


Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
(NKJ)

I'm not the one that is convicting you. The Holy Spirit is.

John 16:7-14
7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 "of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
11 "of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

 

[beameup]

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23

 

[Bard_the_Bowman]

Hey Squeaky,

Just a couple quick questions.

Without a verse you only have a theology.

Do you have a verse for that idea?

If not, then that very idea is your theology, according to your own definition.

Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing.

Then, without a verse, both of your above statements are your spiritual theory (guessing) according to your own definition.

Because I speak from the verses the Holy Spirit gives me.

Sometimes, perhaps. But always?

If those statements of yours above cannot be supported with bible verses...are they still from the Holy Spirit?

If not, they are what we could accurately call your own interpretation or even your own man-made-up tradition.

Is that what you mean by being a "carnally minded" person?

Unless there are bible verses that support those ideas, they both are what you would have to call theology or spiritual theory/guessing.

I could be wrong. But I don't think I've ever seen bible verses that say such things.

Peace.

 

[ok doser]

cue the "lololol your an idiot"

 

[Squeaky]

Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:22-23

I said
I know I love them verses.

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

 

[Squeaky]

Hey Squeaky,

Just a couple quick questions.



Do you have a verse for that idea?

If not, then that very idea is your theology, according to your own definition.



Then, without a verse, both of your above statements are your spiritual theory (guessing) according to your own definition.



Sometimes, perhaps. But always?

If those statements of yours above cannot be supported with bible verses...are they still from the Holy Spirit?

If not, they are what we could accurately call your own interpretation or even your own man-made-up tradition.

Is that what you mean by being a "carnally minded" person?

Unless there are bible verses that support those ideas, they both are what you would have to call theology or spiritual theory/guessing.

I could be wrong. But I don't think I've ever seen bible verses that say such things.

Peace.

I said
HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)(NEW TONGUE)

John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rev 2:16
16 'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 "for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14 "The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

 

[Squeaky]

There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses. Its an unknown tongue to the carnal mind.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)

John 5:30
30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
(NKJ)
Eph 6:17
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
(NKJ)

John 7:18
18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
(NKJ)

John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
(NKJ)

Col 2:1-3

1 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
(NKJ)

Col 1:26
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
(NKJ)

1 Cor 13:8-10
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
(NKJ)


Zeph 3:9
9 "For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, that they all may call on the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one accord.
(NKJ)


AN UNKNOWN TONGUE

 

[Bard_the_Bowman]

Hey Squeaky,

I am trying to learn to be more concise so I didn't full quote your last post with the bible verses.

I did notice that none of them said anything about:

Without a verse you only have a theology. Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing.

So I take it that there are no verses that say what you are saying above and those ideas are your own theology/spiritual theory/guessing.

There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses.

Errt. Hang on a second. Where is there a bible verse that says that "the Holy Spirit only quotes verses.."?

Is there a verse that says that?

If yes, please show me.

If not, then that very idea is another example of your theology/spiritual theory/guessing.

In other words, even though you say that without verses all we have is spiritual guessing,

you actually have plenty of your own spiritual guessing going on due to a lack of verses that support your ideas.

There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses.

I am curious where you got the idea that the Holy Spirit quotes verses.

I am even more curious where you got the idea that the Holy Spirit only quotes verses.

We probably shouldn't forget that when Jesus was being tempted by Satan in the desert, what was Satan's tactic?

To quote verses.

Jesus resisted the temptation.

I wonder if Satan is capable of prowling around the world today seeking the ruin of men's souls.

And I wonder if he could even use scripture to tempt us.

Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses.

Ok, you know what is coming.....

Where is the verse that states that meat understanding is done with only verses?

AN UNKNOWN TONGUE

I am sure that you know your bible better than I do. I don't read it as much as I should.

But I have never run across the phrase or words "unknown tongue" with reference to the Holy Spirit.

Where can I find that so that I can read up on that?

Peace.

 

[Squeaky]

Hey Squeaky,

Just a couple quick questions.



Do you have a verse for that idea?

If not, then that very idea is your theology, according to your own definition.



Then, without a verse, both of your above statements are your spiritual theory (guessing) according to your own definition.



Sometimes, perhaps. But always?

If those statements of yours above cannot be supported with bible verses...are they still from the Holy Spirit?

If not, they are what we could accurately call your own interpretation or even your own man-made-up tradition.

Is that what you mean by being a "carnally minded" person?

Unless there are bible verses that support those ideas, they both are what you would have to call theology or spiritual theory/guessing.

I could be wrong. But I don't think I've ever seen bible verses that say such things.

Peace.

I said
Your right, that is theology. But that is all anyone has in the milk understanding.

 

[ok doser]

... the Holy Spirit only quotes verses...

nope

 

[Bard_the_Bowman]

I said
Your right, that is theology. But that is all anyone has in the milk understanding.

Ok.

But if some of what you are saying is spiritual guessing...why should anyone believe that what you are saying is true?

Why do you believe that it is true?

It seems sort of contradictory to me.

I mean, even saying that "...that is all anyone has in the milk understanding" is spiritual guessing without a bible verse to confirm that.

So why even believe that that is true?

Peace.

 

[Squeaky]

Ok.

But if some of what you are saying is spiritual guessing...why should anyone believe that what you are saying is true?

Why do you believe that it is true?

It seems sort of contradictory to me.

I mean, even saying that "...that is all anyone has in the milk understanding" is spiritual guessing without a bible verse to confirm that.

So why even believe that that is true?

Peace.

I said
All your reasoning comes from one of two sources. You have always had two opinions opposing one another in your mind. Do it, don't do it. Believe it, doubt it. One is your guardian angel, and one is the devil. And the devil is very deceiving. When your thinking what you are doing is listening to the opinions of the spirits that are in you. But it is you that makes the choice on which to go with. But if we have the Holy Spirit that only quotes scripture, He is our guarantee from God. He will give us a verse revealing which opinion is from the devil and which is from our guardian angel.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

 

[Bard_the_Bowman]

I said
All your reasoning comes from one of two sources. You have always had two opinions opposing one another in your mind. Do it, don't do it. Believe it, doubt it. One is your guardian angel, and one is the devil. And the devil is very deceiving. When your thinking what you are doing is listening to the opinions of the spirits that are in you. But it is you that makes the choice on which to go with.

I'm not sure I totally agree with all of that but I can go with it for now. I'd have to think about that a bit more.

But if we have the Holy Spirit that only quotes scripture,

Based on what you have said earlier, without a verse that says the above, we will have to say that the statement itself is spiritual guessing.

Is there a verse that says that the Holy Spirit only quotes scripture....or is that spiritual guessing?

He is our guarantee from God. He will give us a verse revealing which opinion is from the devil and which is from our guardian angel.

Is there a verse that says that the Holy Spirit will give us a verse....or is that idea spiritual guessing?

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

That doesn't say that the Holy Spirit will only quote verses or give someone a verse.

How exactly would that work anyway in say, 36 A.D.?

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

First, this verse does not say that the Holy Spirit will give us a verse.

And If we read the context Paul isn't talking about decision making processes at all.

Paul is talking about living by faith in the hope of Heaven.

Paul is basically saying that being indwelt by the Holy Spirit now is sortof like a down payment (guarantee) by God on the inheritance we can one day obtain in Heaven.

Don't you think you are breaking your own rule about not going beyond what is written when you say that that verse means that the Holy Spirit will give us verses in our decision making?

Peace.

 

[ok doser]

... the Holy Spirit that only quotes scripture ...

nope

 

[Squeaky]

I'm not sure I totally agree with all of that but I can go with it for now. I'd have to think about that a bit more.



Based on what you have said earlier, without a verse that says the above, we will have to say that the statement itself is spiritual guessing.

Is there a verse that says that the Holy Spirit only quotes scripture....or is that spiritual guessing?



Is there a verse that says that the Holy Spirit will give us a verse....or is that idea spiritual guessing?



That doesn't say that the Holy Spirit will only quote verses or give someone a verse.

How exactly would that work anyway in say, 36 A.D.?



First, this verse does not say that the Holy Spirit will give us a verse.

And If we read the context Paul isn't talking about decision making processes at all.

Paul is talking about living by faith in the hope of Heaven.

Paul is basically saying that being indwelt by the Holy Spirit now is sortof like a down payment (guarantee) by God on the inheritance we can one day obtain in Heaven.

Don't you think you are breaking your own rule about not going beyond what is written when you say that that verse means that the Holy Spirit will give us verses in our decision making?

Peace.

I said
I had trouble with that for awhile. The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance what Jesus has said to you. When we read the new testament Jesus is speaking to us. When we remember what Jesus said that is the Holy Spirit teaching us something.

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

And here we see that the Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak on His own authority or any other way. He can only take from what Jesus has said.

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

And this is our only guarantee in the whole bible.

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

And the Holy Spirit will never work through our emotions. He will very gently quote a verse to us. And we have the power to reject what He says or hold onto it.

James 3:17-18
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
(NKJ)

 

[ok doser]

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

your an idiot


John 21:25

 

[Squeaky]

your an idiot


John 21:25

I said
lolololo The devil thinks that all of us born again Christians are like that. Of course we know different.

 

[ok doser]

... us born again Christians ...

you're not a Christian

 

[Bard_the_Bowman]

Hey Squeaky,

According to our earlier conversation:

I said
I had trouble with that for awhile. The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance what Jesus has said to you. When we read the new testament Jesus is speaking to us. When we remember what Jesus said that is the Holy Spirit teaching us something.

The above statements are spiritual guessing. Unreliable as truth.

Because there is no verse that says "when we read the new testament Jesus is speaking to us".

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

The above is scripture

And here we see that the Holy Spirit is not allowed to speak on His own authority or any other way. He can only take from what Jesus has said.

The above is spiritual guessing and unreliable again.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach all things that Jesus taught...but not ONLY the things that Jesus taught.

Plus, much of what Jesus taught wasn't even recorded. I think John said that there wouldn't be enough books in the world to contain it all.

So the Holy Spirit isn't gonna have enough verses from the Bible to teach all of what Jesus did because nowhere does the Bible say that everything that Jesus taught was written.

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

(NKJ)

the above is scripture....

And this is our only guarantee in the whole bible.

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

This doesn't have to do with getting verses in our decision-making but with a "down payment" (so to speak) of the promised inheritance of Heaven.

And the Holy Spirit will never work through our emotions. He will very gently quote a verse to us. And we have the power to reject what He says or hold onto it.

The above is spiritual guessing...there are no verses that say that.

James 3:17-18
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
(NKJ)

This is scripture...

Please answer two direct questions, with a direct answers:

1. Where does the Bible teach that the Holy Spirit only quotes verses?

Book, chapter, and verse would be nice.

2. How does any of what you are saying about the Holy Spirit work for someone who is illiterate and cannot read? Are they disqualified from even becoming Christian?

Peace.

 

[ok doser]

Plus, much of what Jesus taught wasn't even recorded. I think John said that there wouldn't be enough books in the world to contain it all.

yep

John 21:25