Things that do not make sense.

Jacob

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When you know God's Torah there are things that do not make sense in keeping with God's Law, things that are counted as transgression, disobedience, or simply not obeying God.

What is a person to do with these things? Even the thought of sin, evil, wickedness is not something that is desired. If these things exist, even as thoughts, what are we to do with them?

For example, you know of an evil, something against God, and it is not how you live... but to change that evil, sin, or wickedness, to make a difference, to bring light to bear on the subject, to remove the evil from your life, whatever the case, setting, or situation, if you can replace evil with good or if the evil can be done away with, how is that going to take place? If you know of a transgression of God's Law, how is repentance offered or punishment brought about when the evil has nothing to do with yourself? Why are people aware of sin and what can they do about it?

Shalom.

Jacob
 

TrevorL

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Greetings Jacob,
When you know God's Torah there are things that do not make sense in keeping with God's Law, things that are counted as transgression, disobedience, or simply not obeying God.

What is a person to do with these things? Even the thought of sin, evil, wickedness is not something that is desired. If these things exist, even as thoughts, what are we to do with them?

For example, you know of an evil, something against God, and it is not how you live... but to change that evil, sin, or wickedness, to make a difference, to bring light to bear on the subject, to remove the evil from your life, whatever the case, setting, or situation, if you can replace evil with good or if the evil can be done away with, how is that going to take place? If you know of a transgression of God's Law, how is repentance offered or punishment brought about when the evil has nothing to do with yourself? Why are people aware of sin and what can they do about it?
There is a difference between the Romans 7 environment, where there is a constant struggle against sin, and awareness of sin, and Romans 8:1-3 where sin is overcome through Jesus and we rest in him. If we continually emphasise law, and seek in our own strength to overcome, then we will continually fail.

Nevertheless sin persists in the believer to some extent, but its power is to a greater or lesser degree broken. Paul in Ephesians 4:22-32 speaks of the need to replace the former way of life with the new life in Christ. This can take the form of deliberate choice, a method of sublimation. He gives the example of a petty thief, who should cease this bad habit, and overcome this tendency by starting to work with the very hands that previously stole, and then give some of the fruits of his labours to others. He will be gradually healed by replacing and supplanting his habit of taking by cultivating the habit of giving. Paul gives other typical examples. I need to apply this teaching and possible method to some of my bad habits not listed.

Kind regards
Trevor
 

Jacob

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Greetings Jacob,There is a difference between the Romans 7 environment, where there is a constant struggle against sin, and awareness of sin, and Romans 8:1-3 where sin is overcome through Jesus and we rest in him. If we continually emphasise law, and seek in our own strength to overcome, then we will continually fail.

Nevertheless sin persists in the believer to some extent, but its power is to a greater or lesser degree broken. Paul in Ephesians 4:22-32 speaks of the need to replace the former way of life with the new life in Christ. This can take the form of deliberate choice, a method of sublimation. He gives the example of a petty thief, who should cease this bad habit, and overcome this tendency by starting to work with the very hands that previously stole, and then give some of the fruits of his labours to others. He will be gradually healed by replacing and supplanting his habit of taking by cultivating the habit of giving. Paul gives other typical examples. I need to apply this teaching and possible method to some of my bad habits not listed.

Kind regards
Trevor

When the focus of our life struggle is on behavior we continually fail. We want good behavior, but it might be referenced or established in respect to that which is bad. However, with God's Law we know how He wants us to live, and with forgiveness of sins in Jesus Christ we can obey God freely without fear of consequence when we are being obedient to Him. To be forgiven of one's sins in Jesus Christ is important. It is possible to be judged for your sin, whether or not there is repentance may be a factor. It may depend on the sin. Some sins result in the death penalty. Some sins result in something else. For sin and sins it might be better to say transgression of the law, but that is what sin is. If you live according to the law, sometimes you can make right what it is that you have done wrong. This may happen or occur before there is a witness or leverage exerted by the authorities. We have freedom of speech here in the United States of America. In the Bible we read that every idle word will be taken account of in the day of judgment. No one has the freedom to sin, even in speech. What you do, how you live your life, is very important to God, and I trust that you will make the right decisions.

Shalom.

Jacob
 

Zeke

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When you know God's Torah there are things that do not make sense in keeping with God's Law, things that are counted as transgression, disobedience, or simply not obeying God.

What is a person to do with these things? Even the thought of sin, evil, wickedness is not something that is desired. If these things exist, even as thoughts, what are we to do with them?

For example, you know of an evil, something against God, and it is not how you live... but to change that evil, sin, or wickedness, to make a difference, to bring light to bear on the subject, to remove the evil from your life, whatever the case, setting, or situation, if you can replace evil with good or if the evil can be done away with, how is that going to take place? If you know of a transgression of God's Law, how is repentance offered or punishment brought about when the evil has nothing to do with yourself? Why are people aware of sin and what can they do about it?

Shalom.

Jacob

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When you know God's Torah there are things that do not make sense in keeping with God's Law, things that are counted as transgression, disobedience, or simply not obeying God.

What is a person to do with these things? Even the thought of sin, evil, wickedness is not something that is desired. If these things exist, even as thoughts, what are we to do with them?

For example, you know of an evil, something against God, and it is not how you live... but to change that evil, sin, or wickedness, to make a difference, to bring light to bear on the subject, to remove the evil from your life, whatever the case, setting, or situation, if you can replace evil with good or if the evil can be done away with, how is that going to take place? If you know of a transgression of God's Law, how is repentance offered or punishment brought about when the evil has nothing to do with yourself? Why are people aware of sin and what can they do about it?

Shalom.

Jacob
This OP doesn't make sense. It seems like you want to talk about something in particular, but you're holding back, and the result is that what you wrote is incomprehensible.
 

Jacob

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This OP doesn't make sense. It seems like you want to talk about something in particular, but you're holding back, and the result is that what you wrote is incomprehensible.

Thank you for your honest evaluation of the OP. I do not know what to do with it. Do you have a specific question that you would like to ask me?

Shalom.

Jacob
 
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