The True Meaning of Glorification

[cgaviria]

Not many people understand what glory or to be glorified means. Lets first look at this verse,

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. (1 Corinthians 15:41 [ESV])

The Greek word for glory is "doxa", which has several definitions, "honor, renown, and splendor". Splendor is the definition of interest for this particular study on glory. The glory of something is something that radiates light, hence splendor. What do the sun, moon, and stars all have in common? They radiate light. So therefore, something, or someone that has been glorified, is something or someone that then begins to radiate light. An example of one man that was glorified was actually Moses,

And as Moses went down from mount Sinai, even the two tablets were upon the hands of Moses. And in his going down from the mountain, even Moses did not know that the appearance of the complexion of his face was glorified in his speaking to him. (Exodus 34:29 [ABP])

When Moses spoke to God at Mount Sinai, his face then began to radiate light. This light that shone from his face, was the light that Aaron and the sons of Israel saw, and were even afraid of Moses,

And Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses; and he was being glorified in the appearance of the complexion of his face. And they feared to approach him. (Exodus 34:30 [ABP])

Next, Jesus also said this,

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5 [NIV])

So at what point in the beginning did Jesus have this glory that radiates light before the world began? When he uttered these words,

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:3 [NIV])

This light came from himself, as the luminaries in the heaven hadn't yet been created till the 4th day to give light upon the earth, so he himself literally began radiating this light that he brought forth into existence, hence why he also says,

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." (John 8:12 [NIV])

He literally became the light of the world, which is the glory he had before the world began. In the John 17:5 verse, he also states, "glorify me in your presence", which means, make me "radiate light" in your presence just as it was before the world began. So when did Jesus begin radiating light after his resurrection? Lets first look at this verse,

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" (John 20:17 [NIV])

So at this point in speaking with Mary, he had not yet ascended to the Father to be glorified. And then we also read in this verse,

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. (John 7:39 [NIV])

In this verse we can see that the holy spirit was given after Jesus was glorified. The last sighting of Jesus before he ascended was here,

After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." (Acts 1:9 [NIV])

And then in the John 17:5 we read, "glorify me in your presence", and Jesus could've only been in his presence of the Father after he ascended to him. So therefore, the glorification of Jesus occurred after he ascended to the Father. This then coincides with,

But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. (John 16:7 [NIV])

It was when he ascended to heaven to the Father, he was thus glorified, he then sent forth holy spirit. So the whole time that Jesus was with the disciples after his resurrection and before his ascension, they had not yet seen his new glory of radiating light on his new body. As even the transfiguration of Jesus was not when he was glorified, because the transfiguration was merely a vision, hence,

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” (Matthew 17:9 [NIV])

This glory that he received that radiates light is the same glory that the world will witness when he comes back,

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30 [NIV])

Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all people will see it together. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken." (Isaiah 40:4-5 [NIV])

In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance. (Revelation 1:16 [NIV])
Now, this glorification of radiating light is similar to the glorification that those who are saved at his coming will also receive, all who are saved at his coming will also radiate light, as it is said,

Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear. (Matthew 13:43 [NIV])

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. (Romans 8:29-30 [NIV])

Yet we do not know how exactly each of us will be, as even in 1 John we read,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2 [NIV])

And then Paul affirms when speaking concerning the new body of the resurrection,

But someone will ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. (1 Corinthians 15:35-38 [NIV])

So just as we do not know how big or small a plant will be from the seed we plant, so is the resurrection of the dead, we plant a seed now, yet what body we are given and it's measure of glory, will be determined by God. After this passage, is when he goes on to mention the different glories of the heaven in relation to the new bodies of the resurrection.

 

[Eeset]

Does it matter?

 

[cgaviria]

Does it matter?

It mattered to Jesus,

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5 [NIV])

So it should also matter to the elect.

 

[Eeset]

It mattered to Jesus,

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. (John 17:5 [NIV])

So it should also matter to the elect.

But you have explained nothing. Are you going to b helpful or not?

 

[cgaviria]

But you have explained nothing. Are you going to b helpful or not?

I didn't explain that to be glorified means to literally radiate light? Such a simple truth.

 

[Eeset]

I didn't explain that to be glorified means to literally radiate light? Such a simple truth.

By your logic my car headlight is glorified.

 

[cgaviria]

By your logic my car headlight is glorified.

It is not my logic, this is the logic of scripture, hence

And as Moses went down from mount Sinai, even the two tablets were upon the hands of Moses. And in his going down from the mountain, even Moses did not know that the appearance of the complexion of his face was glorified in his speaking to him. (Exodus 34:29 [ABP])

There is purpose behind this, because one day, Jesus Christ will return to the earth with this form of glorification, and the elect also, will be glorified in this manner.

 

[ok doser]

we'll become headlights? :freak:

 

[serpentdove]

So at what point in the beginning did Jesus have this glory that radiates light before the world began? When he uttered these words,

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:3 [NIV])...

And before that he existed. There is not a time when he did not exist. As far back as you can think and before that, he existed (Prov. 8:23, Is. 9:6 Dan. 7:9, Jn 1:1).

 

[serpentdove]

We are: justified, sanctified and one day will be glorified (2 Co 3:18). To get the whole party started, you must be born again (Jn 3:7). Turn from sin (Ac 8:22) and toward Christ (Acts 11:18). :straight:

Let's Get It Started ~ The Black Eyed Peas

 

[cgaviria]

And before that he existed. There is not a time when he did not exist. As far back as you can think and before that, he existed (Prov. 8:23, Is. 9:6 Dan. 7:9, Jn 1:1).

Is that so? In reference to "today", on which day did God became father to the son?

I will proclaim the LORD's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father. (Psalm 2:7 [NIV])

I'll give you a clue, it relates to this verse,

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. (Colossians 1:15 [NIV])

 

[serpentdove]

[And before that he existed. There is not a time when he did not exist. As far back as you can think and before that, he existed (Prov. 8:23, Is. 9:6 Dan. 7:9, Jn 1:1).] Is that so? In reference to "today", on which day did God became father to the son...Psalm 2:7...

Are you a Jehovah's False Witness? :smokie:

See:

Ps 2:7 McGee

 

[ok doser]

Are you a Jehovah's False Witness? :smokie:

See:

Ps 2:7 McGee

just like squeaky :think:

 

[cgaviria]

Are you a Jehovah's False Witness? :smokie:

See:

Ps 2:7 McGee

I am not. Yet it is interesting to note that even without me mentioning anything, the scriptures speak the truth for themselves, hence why you ask me this.

 

[serpentdove]

I am not. Yet it is interesting to note that even without me mentioning anything, the scriptures speak the truth for themselves, hence why you ask me this.

:yawn: Non causae ut causae Eph 4:14

As a reminder cgaviria is number 67 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

 

[ok doser]

cg denies she's a jw:

I am not.

just like squeaky :think:

 

[Nanja]

Is that so? In reference to "today", on which day did God became father to the son?

I will proclaim the LORD's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father. (Psalm 2:7 [NIV])

I'll give you a clue, it relates to this verse,

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. (Colossians 1:15 [NIV])

Christ was declared to be the Son of God when He rose from the dead Rom. 1:4 as Surety ; Heb. 7:22 and Covenant Head and Mediator of His Sheep in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Rev. 13:8.

Heb. 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

He was created, or derived an existence from the Father, before He created all others. Hence, the firstborn of all creation Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14. Though as God, He has always had an uncreated self-existence, as did also the Holy Spirit.

When Christ was risen from the dead, all His Seed in Him Eph. 1:4-5 were also quickened together with Him.

Eph. 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

And each one of them, God's Elect, shall be Born in Time, and born again of the Spirit.

 

[Bright Raven]

What is glorification?
by Matt Slick

Glorification is the future and final work of God upon Christians, where he transforms our mortal physical bodies to the eternal physical bodies in which we will dwell forever.

1 Cor. 15:42-44, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

Jesus is the first resurrected from the dead in a glorified body. He is called the first fruits of creation. 1 Cor. 15:20 says, "But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep." Since he is the first fruits, we will follow. His resurrection is the promise and guarantee of our future resurrection.

In describing the attributes of resurrected bodies, we can derive certain qualities from the appearances of Christ after his resurrection. He retained the open wounds of his crucifixion (John 20:27-28), and therefore probably had no functioning circulatory system and would not need to eat - though he was able to eat. Since the wounds were still open, if blood circulation were still occurring it would have been expelled from the body through the wounds. So, apparently there is no need for functioning blood in the resurrected bodies.

Also, Jesus had the ability to simply appear and disappear at will. Mark 16:14 says, "And afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table..." In John 20:26 we find, "And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, “Peace be with you.” Therefore, we can conclude that we will be able to do the same. Finally, death has no power over Jesus, so it will have no power over us in our new bodies and we will live forever, healthy, without being subject to death again.

1 Cor. 15:51-53, "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality." (From CARM.org)

 

[cgaviria]

What is glorification?
by Matt Slick

Glorification is the future and final work of God upon Christians, where he transforms our mortal physical bodies to the eternal physical bodies in which we will dwell forever.

1 Cor. 15:42-44, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body."

Jesus is the first resurrected from the dead in a glorified body. He is called the first fruits of creation. 1 Cor. 15:20 says, "But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep." Since he is the first fruits, we will follow. His resurrection is the promise and guarantee of our future resurrection.

In describing the attributes of resurrected bodies, we can derive certain qualities from the appearances of Christ after his resurrection. He retained the open wounds of his crucifixion (John 20:27-28), and therefore probably had no functioning circulatory system and would not need to eat - though he was able to eat. Since the wounds were still open, if blood circulation were still occurring it would have been expelled from the body through the wounds. So, apparently there is no need for functioning blood in the resurrected bodies.

Also, Jesus had the ability to simply appear and disappear at will. Mark 16:14 says, "And afterward He appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table..." In John 20:26 we find, "And after eight days again His disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst, and said, “Peace be with you.” Therefore, we can conclude that we will be able to do the same. Finally, death has no power over Jesus, so it will have no power over us in our new bodies and we will live forever, healthy, without being subject to death again.

1 Cor. 15:51-53, "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality." (From CARM.org)

You completely missed the point of this study. That the resurrected bodies of the elect will radiate light, hence "glorified bodies".

 

[Bright Raven]

You completely missed the point of this study. That the resurrected bodies of the elect will radiate light, hence "glorified bodies".

You are the one who wanted to know the true meaning of glorification.