ECT The Timing of the Rapture and the Hebrew Epistles

[Jerry Shugart]

The MADs on this forum quote the following verse in "bold" as evidence that those who received the Hebrew epistles must endure to the end of be saved so let us look at the events in chronological order which follow this verse:

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ...When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation...and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:13,15,21,30).​

First, these saints will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place then there will be great tribulation and then the Lord Jesus will appear in the sky. Now let is look at the following words of James:

"You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near" (James 5:8).​

The Greek word translated "is near" at James 5:8 is eggizo and in this verse that word means "to be imminent" (A Greek English Lexicon, Liddell & Scott [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1940], 467).

In an article found on the "Pre-Trib Research Center" web site Dr. Renald E. Showers writes:

"In light of James' statements C. Leslie Mitton wrote, 'James clearly believed, as others of his time did, that the coming of Christ was imminent.' On the basis of James' statements we can conclude that Christ's coming was imminent in New Testament times and continues to be so today, and that this fact should make a difference in the way Christians live" (Showers, The Imminent Coming of Christ).​

Paul Sadler wrote the following about the meaning of "imminent":

"According to Paul's gospel the Rapture is "imminent," that is, it could take place at any moment. There are no signs, times, or seasons that will precede this glorious event" (Sadler, "The Present Obsession With the Anti-Christ," The Berean Searchlight, June, 1999, 7).​

Now when we look back at the events in chronological order from the book of Matthew we see that the appearance of the Lord Jesus cannot be considered to be imminent because before He can appear at Matthew 24:30 the abomination of desolation must first stand in the holy place. So the only appearance of which James wrote is when the Lord Jesus will appear at the rapture.

According to Paul Sadler only the members of the Body of Christ will be raptured:

"The 'secret' resurrection that will take place at the Rapture should never be confused with the 'first' resurrection at the Second Coming of Christ. Those who rightly divide the Word of truth now see that only the members of the Body of Christ will be raised at the Rapture" (Sadler, Exploring the Unsearchable Riches of Christ [Stephens Point, WI: Worzalla Publishing Co., 1993], 167).​

All of these facts about the timing of the rapture provide overwhelming evidence that those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught to be expecting that the rapture could happen at any moment so there can be no doubt whatsoever that they are members of the Body of Christ.

 

[genuineoriginal]

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ...When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation...and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:13,15,21,30).​

First, these saints will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place then there will be great tribulation

It is recorded in church history that the believers in Christ believed this prophecy from Jesus and fled to Pella from Jerusalem (this happened in 66 CE).
The abomination of desolation was seen in 70 CE, right before the temple was destroyed by fire.
This was the beginning of the great tribulation from this prophecy.

NPNF2-01. Eusebius Pamphilius: Church History, Life of Constantine, Oration in Praise of Constantine Chapter V.—The Last Siege of the Jews after Christ. 1. After Nero had held the power thirteen years, and Galba and Otho had ruled a year and six months, Vespasian, who had become distinguished in the campaigns against the Jews, was proclaimed sovereign in Judea and received the title of Emperor from the armies there. Setting out immediately, therefore, for Rome, he entrusted the conduct of the war against the Jews to his son Titus. 2. For the Jews after the ascension of our Saviour, in addition to their crime against him, had been devising as many plots as they could against his apostles. First Stephen was stoned to death by them, and after him James, the son of Zebedee and the brother of John, was beheaded, and finally James, the first that had obtained the episcopal seat in Jerusalem after the ascension of our Saviour, died in the manner already described. But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name.” 3. But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men. 4. But the number of calamities which everywhere fell upon the nation at that time; the extreme misfortunes to which the inhabitants of Judea were especially subjected, the thousands of men, as well as women and children, that perished by the sword, by famine, and by other forms of death innumerable,—all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,—all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus. 5. But it is necessary to state that this writer records that the multitude of those who were assembled from all Judea at the time of the Passover, to the number of three million souls, were shut up in Jerusalem “as in a prison,” to use his own words. 6. For it was right that in the very days in which they had inflicted suffering upon the Saviour and the Benefactor of all, the Christ of God, that in those days, shut up “as in a prison,” they should meet with destruction at the hands of divine justice. 7. But passing by the particular calamities which they suffered from the attempts made upon them by the sword and by other means, I think it necessary to relate only the misfortunes which the famine caused, that those who read this work may have some means of knowing that God was not long in executing vengeance upon them for their wickedness against the Christ of God.

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there will be great tribulation and then the Lord Jesus will appear in the sky.

Since the Lord Jesus has not appeared in the sky yet, the great tribulation has not ended yet.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

It is recorded in church history that the believers in Christ believed this prophecy from Jesus and fled to Pella from Jerusalem (this happened in 66 CE).
The abomination of desolation was seen in 70 CE, right before the temple was destroyed by fire.
This was the beginning of the great tribulation from this prophecy.

The Lord's words at Matthew 24 were in answer to what would happen at the "end of the age" (Mt.24:3).

This end of the age has not yet happened because the Lord Jesus earlier spoke about what would happen at the end of the age and He said that then there will be a world harvest where all the unbelievers on the face of the earth (Mt.13:37-43).

 

[genuineoriginal]

The Lord's words at Matthew 24 were in answer to what would happen at the "end of the age" (Mt.24:3).

This end of the age has not yet happened because the Lord Jesus earlier spoke about what would happen at the end of the age and He said that then there will be a world harvest where all the unbelievers on the face of the earth (Mt.13:37-43).

When Jesus spoke in Matthew 13, there was still a chance for the Jews to repent and be saved by the end of the seventy week prophecy, but by Matthew 23-24, it was obvious that they would not repent, so the end of the age in the Matthew 13 prophecies was moved to the end of the prophecy in Matthew 24 in order to make room for the long period (1900+ years) of exile in the great tribulation.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

When Jesus spoke in Matthew 13, there was still a chance for the Jews to repent and be saved by the end of the seventy week prophecy, but by Matthew 23-24, it was obvious that they would not repent, so the end of the age in the Matthew 13 prophecies was moved to the end of the prophecy in Matthew 24 in order to make room for the long period (1900+ years) of exile in the great tribulation.

Where at the end of the prophecy in Matthew 24?

 

[genuineoriginal]

Where at the end of the prophecy in Matthew 24?

We are currently in the age of the great tribulation.

The fulfillment of the prophecies about the harvest at the end of the age happens here after the great tribulation:

Matthew 24:29-31 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

Mark 13:24-27 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

According to the book of Daniel from the beginning of the 70th week until its end is just seven years.

You have it lasting alomost 2,000 years.

 

[Aimiel]

It will only last seven years. I believe that is the reason that the Statute of Limitations is seven years. We will be back before those left behind can process the paperwork to take our property, since you have to wait until seven years expire to legally count someone who is missing as dead. We'll begin the Millennial Reign with Christ from our previous homes, which will become centers of hospitality, healing and we'll share our home with whomever might travel our way, with no fear and won't need to have locks on our doors since there will be no crime upon the earth.

I take Christ's Words regarding the end times very seriously and believe that that 'man of sin' or AntiChrist will be known since Jesus said:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

We'll know him when we see him and he'll nearly be able to deceive even born-again Christians.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[steko]

It will only last seven years. I believe that is the reason that the Statute of Limitations is seven years. We will be back before those left behind can process the paperwork to take our property, since you have to wait until seven years expire to legally count someone who is missing as dead. We'll begin the Millennial Reign with Christ from our previous homes, which will become centers of hospitality, healing and we'll share our home with whomever might travel our way, with no fear and won't need to have locks on our doors since there will be no crime upon the earth.

I take Christ's Words regarding the end times very seriously and believe that that 'man of sin' or AntiChrist will be known since Jesus said:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

We'll know him when we see him and he'll nearly be able to deceive even born-again Christians.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I believe that the 'elect/eklektos' of Mt 24:22,24 and 31 are the same 'elect/chosen/bachar/Lxx eklektos' of Deu 7:6,7.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

 

[genuineoriginal]

According to the book of Daniel from the beginning of the 70th week until its end is just seven years.

You have it lasting alomost 2,000 years.

You are wrong about the great tribulation being the 70th week of the prophecy. The end of the 70th week happened around the time Stephen was stoned to death, and the first thing that happened after the end of the 70th week was Peter being sent to Cornelius.
The great tribulation prophesied by Jesus was a consequence for the children of Israel failing to complete the 6 tasks that they were given 70 "weeks" to complete.

 

[iamaberean]

The MADs on this forum quote the following verse in "bold" as evidence that those who received the Hebrew epistles must endure to the end of be saved so let us look at the events in chronological order which follow this verse:

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ...When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place...For then shall be great tribulation...and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mt.24:13,15,21,30).​

First, these saints will see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place then there will be great tribulation and then the Lord Jesus will appear in the sky. Now let is look at the following words of James:

Flavius Josephus describes the destruction of Jerusalem.
Introduction:
1. Josephus is one of the most famous historians of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

2. Writing in about 110 AD, Josephus recorded, in great detail, Jewish history, 1st century Judaism, the ministry of Jesus.

3. In a book called, "Wars of the Jews", Josephus describes the destruction of Jerusalem as Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-flavius-josephus-70AD-Mt24-fulfilled.htm

Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Last day? The last day of being under the Age of Law.

When God led his people to the promise land the scouts went into Israel and came back afraid. He told them that they would roam in the wilderness until their generation had passed away. That was forty years.

Jesus was put on the cross in his early thirties and then forty years later the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. That was the day that the Age of Law ended. That was the "last day" and therefore the resurrection happened.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Flavius Josephus describes the destruction of Jerusalem.
Introduction:
1. Josephus is one of the most famous historians of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

2. Writing in about 110 AD, Josephus recorded, in great detail, Jewish history, 1st century Judaism, the ministry of Jesus.

3. In a book called, "Wars of the Jews", Josephus describes the destruction of Jerusalem as Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-flavius-josephus-70AD-Mt24-fulfilled.htm

Yes, Josephus provided us with the historical proof that some of the prophecy in the Olivet Discourse has already taken place.

Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Last day? The last day of being under the Age of Law.

When God led his people to the promise land the scouts went into Israel and came back afraid. He told them that they would roam in the wilderness until their generation had passed away. That was forty years.

Jesus was put on the cross in his early thirties and then forty years later the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. That was the day that the Age of Law ended. That was the "last day" and therefore the resurrection happened.

The resurrection at the last day was moved to shortly after the great tribulation.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.[/COLOR]

The days of vengenance, also known as the great tribulation, is the exile of the children of Israel from the land of Israel until the end of the times of the Gentiles.

Luke 21:24 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.​

The establishment of the nation of Israel shows us that we are nearing the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

The end of the 70th week happened around the time Stephen was stoned to death, and the first thing that happened after the end of the 70th week was Peter being sent to Cornelius.

You idea is completely unrealistic because the following verse spells out what will happen at the end of the 70th week:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

That won't happen until the following prophecy is fulfilled:

"For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east" (Ez.14:2-4).​

 

[genuineoriginal]

You idea is completely unrealistic because the following verse spells out what will happen at the end of the 70th week:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

That is obviously a list of the things that the children of Israel were given 490 years to complete.
They did not complete the list, therefor they were exiled from the land again in the great tribulation.

That won't happen until the following prophecy is fulfilled:

"For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east" (Ez.14:2-4).​

You have your timing mixed up.
The 490 years ended after Stephen was stoned and before Peter was sent to Cornelius.
The events in Ezekiel did not happen during the 490 year prophecy and will not happen until after the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

You have your timing mixed up.
The 490 years ended after Stephen was stoned and before Peter was sent to Cornelius.
The events in Ezekiel did not happen during the 490 year prophecy and will not happen until after the end of the great tribulation.

At the end of the 490 years of Daniel's prophecy the following will happen:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

The "seventy weeks"spoken of in this verse means "seventy sevens" as we see in the following translation:

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place" (Dan.9:24).​

Seventy sevens means 70 X 7 Years which comes to 490 years.

You say that 490 years ended with the stoning of Stephen but the Scriptures declare that the following will happen when the 490 years are fulfilled:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

By your own words that prophecy hasn't yet been fulfilled.

 

[genuineoriginal]

At the end of the 490 years of Daniel's prophecy the following will happen:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

No, Daniel's prophecy does not say those are six things that will happen at the end of the 490 years.
Daniel's prophecy states quite clearly that the children of Israel were given 490 years to do those six tasks.

The "seventy weeks"spoken of in this verse means "seventy sevens" as we see in the following translation:

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place" (Dan.9:24).​

Seventy sevens means 70 X 7 Years which comes to 490 years.

Yes, seventy "weeks" are seventy times seven years.
This is the number of years of the first exile, seventy years, multiplied by the prophesied seven times for failure to repent.

Daniel 9:2 2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.​

Leviticus 26:25-28 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. 27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.​

You say that 490 years ended with the stoning of Stephen but the Scriptures declare that the following will happen when the 490 years are fulfilled:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

The verse says that 490 years have been given to the children of Israel and Jerusalem to stop their transgressing the law, stop their sinning against God, make reconciliation for their iniquity, to start and continue being righteous, to put an end to the prophesied curses for disobedience, and to anoint the Temple.
They managed to anoint the Temple, and created the new holiday of Hanukkah, but that is the only one of the six tasks that they accomplished.

By your own words that prophecy hasn't yet been fulfilled.

Let's look at the end of the prophecy.

Daniel 9:27 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Daniel was reading in Jeremiah (see Daniel 9:2), then Daniel receives this prophecy which mentions "the covenant".
There is only one unconfirmed covenant mentioned in Jeremiah, and this is the covenant that God will confirm for one week: "And he shall confirm the covenant".

Jeremiah 31:31-40 31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.​

The blood of Jesus is used to confirm the covenant with many: "he shall confirm the covenant with many"; "and I will remember their sin no more.".

Matthew 26:28 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.​

The crucifixion was the end of the sacrifice: "in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"

Hebrews 10:11-12 King James Version (KJV) 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;​

Right before the crucifixion in the middle of the seventieth week of the seventy weeks prophecy, Jesus confirmed that the prophecy would end with desolation of Jerusalem: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate"

Matthew 23:37-38 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.​

This led directly into the Olivet Discourse where Jesus prophesied about the coming desolation that He called the "great tribulation" in Matthew 24.

After the crucifixion the disciples preached to the Jews in Jerusalem for another 3-1/2 years, ending in the stoning of Stephen.
After the end of the 490 years, Peter was sent to Cornelius to bring in the Gentiles as God's people in fulfillment of prophecy:

Deuteronomy 32:21 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Get yourself a calculator and multiply 70 X 7.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The verse says that 490 years have been given to the children of Israel and Jerusalem to stop their transgressing the law, stop their sinning against God, make reconciliation for their iniquity, to start and continue being righteous, to put an end to the prophesied curses for disobedience, and to anoint the Temple.
They managed to anoint the Temple, and created the new holiday of Hanukkah, but that is the only one of the six tasks that they accomplished.

Get yourself a calculator and multiply 70 X 7.

The 490 years of the seventy week prophecy have already ended.

The 490 Years of 70 Weeks 457 B.C. - 34 A.D. The first sixty-nine weeks of this time measure (Daniel 9:25) contained an initial 'seven week' or 49 year period (457 B.C. to 408 B.C.). This period was a time of restoration and repairing of the walls and streets of the city of Jerusalem under the supervision of Ezra and Nehemiah (Nehemiah 2:8-17; 4:17). These were 'troublous times' because of extreme opposition from enemy neighbors (Nehemiah 4:7). The sixty-two week period or 434 years extended from 408 B.C. to 27A.D. at the time of Jesus' water baptism by John the Baptist in the River Jordan. This completed the first sixty-nine weeks of the prophecy which was a period of 483 years. After the sixty-two weeks or "in the midst of" the 70th week Messiah was cut off and officially "caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease" (Daniel 9:26-27). This was none other than the crucifixion of Jesus when he 'confirmed' or ratified the new Covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31:31-33; Hebrews 8:8-13; Matthew 26:27-28; Romans 15:8. This took place in 31 A.D. The stoning of Stephen three and a half years later ended the period of the 70th week.

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[Jerry Shugart]

The 490 years of the seventy week prophecy have already ended.

A person must throw his reason to the wind in order to believe that the following prophecy has already been fulfilled in regard to Jerusalem:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

A person has to stand reason on its head in order to claim that "everlasting righteousness" has come upon Jerusalem. The following promise which the LORD made to David speaks of the time when everlasting righteousness will prevail in Jersusalem:

"Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:10).​

 

[genuineoriginal]

A person must throw his reason to the wind in order to believe that the following prophecy has already been fulfilled in regard to Jerusalem:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Heb.9:24).​

A person has to stand reason on its head in order to claim that "everlasting righteousness" has come upon Jerusalem. The following promise which the LORD made to David speaks of the time when everlasting righteousness will prevail in Jersusalem:

"Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:10).​

Are ye daft man?

You keep claiming that the prophecy lists six promises that God will do, when the prophecy is listing six tasks that God has set for the children of Israel to do.

The time allotted to the children of Israel to complete the tasks ended around the time that Stephen was stoned to death, and the children of Israel failed to complete those tasks.
Because the children of Israel failed to completely repent, they went into a greater exile than ever seen before: the great tribulation.