The tenth of the first month.

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Shalom. Today is Rishon (the first day of the week), Aviv (the first month) or Nisan/Nissan 6. So this week, after Sheni (the second day of the week) Aviv 7, Shlishli (the third day of the week) Aviv 8, Revi'i (the fourth day of the week) Aviv 9, we have Chamishi Aviv 10 (the tenth day of the first month, the month of Aviv), a memorial of the day when the following occurred (see the scripture from the second book of the Torah, Shemot (meaning "Names", and known as Exodus) below). Did this occur in years after? And would we observe Passover if there was (were) a temple today? I observe outside of the land of Israel. As a Jew I am both circumcised and observe the entire Torah as I know how to do. I do not go up to Jerusalem three times a year as I should, but there is no temple and I have never been to Israel. What do you do in preparation for Passover? Shalom. Jacob.

Exodus 12:1-28 NASB - 1 Now the LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, 2 "This month shall be the beginning of months for you; it is to be the first month of the year to you. 3 "Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying, 'On the tenth of this month they are each one to take a lamb for themselves, according to their fathers' households, a lamb for each household. 4 'Now if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his neighbor nearest to his house are to take one according to the number of persons in them; according to what each man should eat, you are to divide the lamb. 5 'Your lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 'You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight. 7 'Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it. 8 'They shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. 9 'Do not eat any of it raw or boiled at all with water, but rather roasted with fire, both its head and its legs along with its entrails. 10 'And you shall not leave any of it over until morning, but whatever is left of it until morning, you shall burn with fire. 11 'Now you shall eat it in this manner: with your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste--it is the LORD'S Passover. 12 'For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments--I am the LORD. 13 'The blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you live; and when I see the blood I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. 14 'Now this day will be a memorial to you, and you shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations you are to celebrate it as a permanent ordinance. 15 'Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses; for whoever eats anything leavened from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 'On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you. 17 'You shall also observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as a permanent ordinance. 18 'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. 19 'Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land. 20 'You shall not eat anything leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.'" 21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slay the Passover lamb. 22 "You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning. 23 "For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come in to your houses to smite you. 24 "And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. 25 "When you enter the land which the LORD will give you, as He has promised, you shall observe this rite. 26 "And when your children say to you, 'What does this rite mean to you?' 27 you shall say, 'It is a Passover sacrifice to the LORD who passed over the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt when He smote the Egyptians, but spared our homes.'" And the people bowed low and worshiped. 28 Then the sons of Israel went and did so; just as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.​
 
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Jews living outside the land of Israel are supposed to delay their Passover for one month. So when Jews living outside Israel eat their dinner the same time as those living in Israel. they breach the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God in the Old Testament.

Num 9:10-12a . . Speak to the children of Israel saying, Any person who becomes unclean from [contact with] the dead, or is on a distant journey, whether among you or in future generations, he shall make a Passover sacrifice for the Lord.

. . . In the second month, on the fourteenth day, in the afternoon, they shall make it; they shall eat it with unleavened cakes and bitter herbs. They shall not leave over anything from it until the next morning, and they shall not break any of its bones.

Note that even when Jews are out of the land during Passover, they still have to slay and roast with fire an entire lamb for their dinner. Failure to do so constitutes a very grave sin.

Num 9:12b . .They shall make it in accordance with all the statutes connected with the Passover sacrifice.

Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be he who does not uphold the words of this Torah, to fulfill them.

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Jews living outside the land of Israel are supposed to delay their Passover for one month. So when Jews living outside Israel eat their dinner the same time as those living in Israel. they breach the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God in the Old Testament.

Num 9:10-12a . . Speak to the children of Israel saying, Any person who becomes unclean from [contact with] the dead, or is on a distant journey, whether among you or in future generations, he shall make a Passover sacrifice for the Lord.

. . . In the second month, on the fourteenth day, in the afternoon, they shall make it; they shall eat it with unleavened cakes and bitter herbs. They shall not leave over anything from it until the next morning, and they shall not break any of its bones.

Note that even when Jews are out of the land during Passover, they still have to slay and roast with fire an entire lamb for their dinner. Failure to do so constitutes a very grave sin.

Num 9:12b . .They shall make it in accordance with all the statutes connected with the Passover sacrifice.

Deut 27:26 . . Cursed be he who does not uphold the words of this Torah, to fulfill them.

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Shalom.

You misunderstand the scriptures. It is my belief that you do (that you do misunderstand the scriptures).

There are three feasts that are to be observed in Jerusalem. But there are people who observe the feasts outside of the land of Israel. With no temple we are either in Israel or we are not.

From what you have posted I can tell that you do not understand what was written in the Torah.

For example, I am not on a journey.

Passover Sheni does exist, but I don't understand your reason for it.

Shalom.

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With no temple we are either in Israel or we are not.

The existence and/or non existence of a Temple has no bearing upon the Jews' obligation to observe Passover properly; after all, there was neither Temple nor Tabernacle among Yhvh's people when He required them to observe the very first of their Passovers.

FYI: "on a journey" refers to Jews who are away from their covenanted homeland for whatever reason. The covenant assumes that you normally reside is in the land of Israel where you belong rather than outside like some sort of off-reservation renegade.

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The existence and/or non existence of a Temple has no bearing upon the Jews' obligation to observe Passover properly; after all, there was neither Temple nor Tabernacle among Yhvh's people when He required them to observe the very first of their Passovers.

FYI: "on a journey" refers to Jews who are away from their covenanted homeland for whatever reason. The covenant assumes that you normally reside is in the land of Israel where you belong rather than outside like some sort of off-reservation renegade.

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Shalom.

I believe you are against the truth for some reason. Do you know where the Passover is to be sacrificed? This is the importance of saying that there is no temple today.

Shalom.

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Jews don't have to reside in Israel to eat the Passover, but they do have to travel there if they wish to eat it in the first month; otherwise they have to put the meal off till the second month in accordance with Num 9:10-12.

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Jews don't have to reside in Israel to eat the Passover, but they do have to travel there if they wish to eat it in the first month; otherwise they have to put the meal off till the second month in accordance with Num 9:10-12.

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Shalom.

Here is what I believe that you should consider. Do you accept Paul? Consider what is said here following. It is my belief that this was outside of the land of Israel.

Acts 20:6​

Shalom.

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Wasting your time debating the law of Moses
Shalom. It is my belief that debating the law of Moses is a waste of time. I must be honest though, not reading it means you do not accept it. I believe you are talking about being for it, which I cannot apologize for. As for communicating in such a way that does not bring glory to God, we should all be sorry for and apologize or be apologetic for that. If we have sinned, we are to go before God and repent of that sin.

Thank you for the reminder of this, as unpleasant as it is. Can you agree to allow people to discuss the things of God?

Shalom.

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Shalom. It is my belief that debating the law of Moses is a waste of time. I must be honest though, not reading it means you do not accept it. I believe you are talking about being for it, which I cannot apologize for. As for communicating in such a way that does not bring glory to God, we should all be sorry for and apologize or be apologetic for that. If we have sinned, we are to go before God and repent of that sin.

Thank you for the reminder of this, as unpleasant as it is. Can you agree to allow people to discuss the things of God?

Shalom.

Jacob

When you concede that the entire Mosaic Law code has been annulled and is no longer in operation. Then I'm happy to point out how that law can be used to teach man about God and how that law can be used to convict sin. But unless you are willing to agree to this then no.


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When you concede that the entire Mosaic Law code has been annulled and is no longer in operation. Then I'm happy to point out how that law can be used to teach man about God and how that law can be used to convict sin. But unless you are willing to agree to this then no.


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Shalom. The reason that I cannot agree with this is because I know from Matthew 5:17-20 that Jesus, Yeshua, did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Indeed the one who keeps and teaches these commandments is called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-20​

Does this make sense to you?

Does my reasoning make sense to you?

Shalom.

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Shalom. The reason that I cannot agree with this is because I know from Matthew 5:17-20 that Jesus, Yeshua, did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Indeed the one who keeps and teaches these commandments is called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-20​

Does this make sense to you?

Does my reasoning make sense to you?

Shalom.

Jacob

No


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