ECT The Contradictory Pursuit of MAD

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The thing MAD pursues, like D'ism in general, is a coherent Bible, or a solid one. They think this is to be achieved by noting the land promises of Israel and then upholding the future fulfillment of these. Not to do so is like abandoning the faith.

It so happens that this is on the right track but not up to the times. More recently than Gen 12 or 15, Christ said that Jerusalem and Israel would be destroyed in an awful event in his generation. He was giving that generation that much time to join his world mission and think beyond.

The destruction did take place as predicted.

Normally, this would be met with excitement by people who want a coherent, solid Bible to believe in. However, it is not. It is something of a joke, instead. And then if a person comes along in church history who used the same set of historic facts to support the Bible while a free-thinker tore much of it down and neutered it, the supporter is treated by MADs and D'ists as a clown and a cartoon.

It's just a slight contradiction.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Interplanner said:
The thing MAD pursues, like D'ism in general, is a coherent Bible, or a solid one. They think this is to be achieved by noting the land promises of Israel and then upholding the future fulfillment of these. Not to do so is like abandoning the faith.

It so happens that this is on the right track but not up to the times. More recently than Gen 12 or 15, Christ said that Jerusalem and Israel would be destroyed in an awful event in his generation. He was giving that generation that much time to join his world mission and think beyond.

The destruction did take place as predicted.

Normally, this would be met with excitement by people who want a coherent, solid Bible to believe in. However, it is not. It is something of a joke, instead. And then if a person comes along in church history who used the same set of historic facts to support the Bible while a free-thinker tore much of it down and neutered it, the supporter is treated by MADs and D'ists as a clown and a cartoon.

It's just a slight contradiction.
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I have no idea what your point is.

:chuckle:
 
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Interplanner said:
The thing MAD pursues, like D'ism in general, is a coherent Bible, or a solid one. They think this is to be achieved by noting the land promises of Israel and then upholding the future fulfillment of these. Not to do so is like abandoning the faith.

It so happens that this is on the right track but not up to the times. More recently than Gen 12 or 15, Christ said that Jerusalem and Israel would be destroyed in an awful event in his generation. He was giving that generation that much time to join his world mission and think beyond.

The destruction did take place as predicted.

Normally, this would be met with excitement by people who want a coherent, solid Bible to believe in. However, it is not. It is something of a joke, instead. And then if a person comes along in church history who used the same set of historic facts to support the Bible while a free-thinker tore much of it down and neutered it, the supporter is treated by MADs and D'ists as a clown and a cartoon.

It's just a slight contradiction.
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Do YOU even know what you're talking about?
 
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SaulToPaul said:
Like Satan, the idea of Israel being the head of the nations on the earth for eternity makes IP's blood boil.
That's the crux of this particular problem of his.
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Because of Eph 1-4. It is obvious there is nothing of the sort in this letter that was circulated to every church Paul worked with. See critical notes on 1:1: the destination was left blank so the courier would just fill in the town he got to. It is the most universal statement Paul ever made and Jew and Gentile are unified in the Gospel without any need for a future "rule of Israel". And the unity in the Gospel is what God uses to demonstrate to all principalities and powers that he is the sovereign one.

Yours is a completely different vision.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:

Paul wasn't concerned with the land.
He didn't annul the promises, though.
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Heb 11:14 is why the land does not matter in any NT passage about the fulfillment of promises to Israel/the believers. The example to believers is people who said they were ALIENS AND STRANGERS ON THIS EARTH.
 
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But the overarching question of this post is about the proof of the Bible. It does NOT hinge on the promises about the land to Israel, as though there was unfinished business to take care of.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:

Do promises matter?
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He already did fulfill land promises but they became a different person. Like a woman who becomes promiscuous during her engagement. God does not continue on in the same scheme with behavior like that.

And you have to absorb Acts 13:32-29 about David's promises rather than what books have told you. I don't think you have.
 
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