The Begotten Word Of God

[Squeaky]

THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD=(HE)(HE IS A SPIRITUAL TITLE OF AUTHORITY) THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD(HE) CAME THROUGH THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD (JESUS)

1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
Acts 2:36-39
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 12:49-50
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
Heb 8:6
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
John 14:24-25
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
I Jn 1:1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-11
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
2 Pet 1:19-21
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:15-16
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Matt 6:22-24
22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
2Pet 3:16-17
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I Jn 1:1-5
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
I Jn 2:23-24
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
(NKJ)

Rom 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
(NKJ)


The Word of God is the power by which all things in heaven and earth submit. The Word came forth from God for all to receive this power. And the power was always given through a mediator. God was the original mediator that created it. God have that Word to Jesus. Then the Word was given to the Holy Spirit that distributes it from each individuals conscience(book of beliefs) in their mind. If and only if that individual has read the bible and put it in their beliefs(conscience). And when an individual has died to self by following the Holy Spirit(verses) and been born again. Then Jesus takes over the Word through the revelations of Jesus Christ, and rewrites their belief system(conscience). The Word of God is the power that all will have to answer to. This power is what justifies or condemns all and everything. God created it the power, and is willing to share it with those who will submit to it. Jesus was the first to submit to it on earth fully, and by that He was our example of how to receive it. When one totally submits to it the power(Word) the Word becomes alive in them. And by becoming alive in them we see the Word become flesh.
Note in verse 14 He the Word is full of grace and truth. And in verse 17 that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is not the Word. Jesus Christ is the human that submitted to the Word as an example to us, to follow. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. That the only begotten Word of God came through.

2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
(NKJ)

 

[Squeaky]

The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.

Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men

Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,

Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."

Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.

John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
(NKJ)

John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
(NKJ)

Mark 13:23
23 "But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
(NKJ)


GO TO BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD
GO TO SEED

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Squeaky

THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD=(HE)(HE IS A SPIRITUAL TITLE OF AUTHORITY) THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD(HE) CAME THROUGH THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD (JESUS)

Jesus Christ is not the Word. Jesus Christ is the human that submitted to the Word as an example to us, to follow. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. That the only begotten Word of God came through.

I will not attempt to fully unravel your sequence of thoughts and how you arrive at your conclusion. Where I disagree is that in John 1:14 Jesus is the Word. In the OT the word of God is God the Father’s spoken word, but even here in the following the word spoken becomes a semi-personification:
Isaiah 55:8-10 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Thus your title for the thread "The Begotten Word of God" is obscure and in a sense wrong.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings Squeaky I will not attempt to fully unravel your sequence of thoughts and how you arrive at your conclusion. Where I disagree is that in John 1:14 Jesus is the Word. In the OT the word of God is God the Father’s spoken word, but even here in the following the word spoken becomes a semi-personification:
Isaiah 55:8-10 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Thus your title for the thread "The Begotten Word of God" is obscure and in a sense wrong.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
I can see your confusion. These are the revelations of Jesus Christ. And I can see the evidence your using. But that is your deception. When Jesus came He changed the law, He annulled the old testament commandments, He brought us a new covenant. To be a Christian one must do the same.



John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)


Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
(NKJ)

Heb 7:18-19
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
(NKJ)

Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(NKJ)

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

I said: I can see your confusion. These are the revelations of Jesus Christ. And I can see the evidence your using. But that is your deception. When Jesus came He changed the law, He annulled the old testament commandments, He brought us a new covenant. To be a Christian one must do the same.

I think this reply was meant to be in another thread as you seem to be answering another subject. If you are answering my post then I am now completely confused as to what you are stating. If so, please clarify.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, I think this reply was meant to be in another thread as you seem to be answering another subject. If you are answering my post then I am now completely confused as to what you are stating. If so, please clarify.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
Anyone who uses old testament verses to criticize new testament Is in big trouble. You used Isaiah. Any time one uses old testament as an authority over new testament will fall from grace.


Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
(NKJ)

Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
(NKJ)

Gal 5:4
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

I said: Anyone who uses old testament verses to criticize new testament Is in big trouble. You used Isaiah. Any time one uses old testament as an authority over new testament will fall from grace.

Luke 16:16: "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.(NKJ)
Matt 11:12-13: 12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. (NKJ)
Gal 5:4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (NKJ)

I disagree with your statement. Firstly I was not using Isaiah to criticise the NT, but I was using Isaiah to criticise your wrong interpretation or inaccurate assessment of the NT. You are also wrong to state that all aspects of the Word of God in the OT is superseded. Christ and the Apostles continually quoted the OT as authority, as it is the Word of God. Could you show me how Isaiah 55:8-10 is superseded by the NT? What Scripture was Paul referring to in 2 Timothy 3:15-17?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, I disagree with your statement. Firstly I was not using Isaiah to criticise the NT, but I was using Isaiah to criticise your wrong interpretation or inaccurate assessment of the NT. You are also wrong to state that all aspects of the Word of God in the OT is superseded. Christ and the Apostles continually quoted the OT as authority, as it is the Word of God. Could you show me how Isaiah 55:8-10 is superseded by the NT? What Scripture was Paul referring to in 2 Timothy 3:15-17?

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
Jesus took care of that all in one verse.

[Jhn 10:8-9
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Do you know that Jesus changed the law, annulled the commandments, and made the old testament obsolete?

[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

I said: Jesus took care of that all in one verse.
Jhn 10:8-9: 8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Do you know that Jesus changed the law, annulled the commandments, and made the old testament obsolete?
Heb 7:12, 18: 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
Heb 8:13: In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I would be interested in what you define as the old testament. Is it the Old Covenant given by God to Moses, or is it the 39 books often (incorrectly) titled the Old Testament? Even the New Covenant is revealed to Abraham in Genesis, but it is confirmed or made valid by the death and resurrection of Christ. What is revealed to Abraham concerning the New covenant has not been superseded. Yes, the Mosaic Covenant, the Old Covenant has been superseded by Christ and his teaching and sacrifice.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, I would be interested in what you define as the old testament. Is it the Old Covenant given by God to Moses, or is it the 39 books often (incorrectly) titled the Old Testament? Even the New Covenant is revealed to Abraham in Genesis, but it is confirmed or made valid by the death and resurrection of Christ. What is revealed to Abraham concerning the New covenant has not been superseded. Yes, the Mosaic Covenant, the Old Covenant has been superseded by Christ and his teaching and sacrifice.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
I would say this pretty well sums it up. As far as the difference between old testament and new testament.

[Jhn 10:8
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

[Mat 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

[Luk 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets [were] until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

I would say this pretty well sums it up. As far as the difference between old testament and new testament.
Jhn 10:8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
Mat 11:12-13 12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luk 16:16 "The law and the prophets [were] until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.

I appreciate your comments and citations. I am not sure that we should take these verses in an absolute sense.

I would prefer to balance them with the following, showing that we should read and understand all Scripture, including the portion often described as the OT:
Romans 15:4,8 (KJV): 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV): 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, I appreciate your comments and citations. I am not sure that we should take these verses in an absolute sense.

I would prefer to balance them with the following, showing that we should read and understand all Scripture, including the portion often described as the OT:
Romans 15:4,8 (KJV): 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV): 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
Well you might need to but not me. I went through the three years of the milk understanding. And I went through the eleven years of the meat understanding. When I came to the revelations of Jesus Christ everything is explained to me in these revelations. That is where I'm at now. I have received over 2500 of these revelations in the past 25 years. I have rewritten my belief system to these revelations.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Squeaky,

Well you might need to but not me. I went through the three years of the milk understanding. And I went through the eleven years of the meat understanding. When I came to the revelations of Jesus Christ everything is explained to me in these revelations. That is where I'm at now. I have received over 2500 of these revelations in the past 25 years. I have rewritten my belief system to these revelations.

I am not sure what you exactly represent by milk and meat understanding, and what has been your actual experience. You seem to be claiming some sort of direct revelation with your suggested 2500 revelations. This is completely outside of my experience, though I do see God's guiding hand in my life. I did see two threads on milk and meat understanding but did not read them at the time.

Yes, I see the need to read and meditate on all the Scriptures and have a special interest in the Psalms, Isaiah and Galatians. I hope to start another NT book and concentrate on this over a few months. I am unfamiliar with your claims and experience. Rather by having an interest in aspects of the Word of God, I am able to satisfy my need to have an active and content mind. I am looking for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ from heaven to establish his kingdom upon the earth and seek to conform my life to Christ, both in putting to death the flesh and living by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Squeaky]

Greetings again Squeaky, I am not sure what you exactly represent by milk and meat understanding, and what has been your actual experience. You seem to be claiming some sort of direct revelation with your suggested 2500 revelations. This is completely outside of my experience, though I do see God's guiding hand in my life. I did see two threads on milk and meat understanding but did not read them at the time.

Yes, I see the need to read and meditate on all the Scriptures and have a special interest in the Psalms, Isaiah and Galatians. I hope to start another NT book and concentrate on this over a few months. I am unfamiliar with your claims and experience. Rather by having an interest in aspects of the Word of God, I am able to satisfy my need to have an active and content mind. I am looking for the return of our Lord Jesus Christ from heaven to establish his kingdom upon the earth and seek to conform my life to Christ, both in putting to death the flesh and living by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me.

Kind regards
Trevor

I said
That is a very good attitude. I always had the attitude that I didn't really care what God done in someone elses life. It was ok with me. I was always just trying to work out my own salvation. I have always taken the Word personally to me. I only share it with others.

Phil 2:12-14
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,
(NKJ)