ECT Similarities between MADists and Marcionites.

[Nang]

There is nothing new under the sun . . .

Back in the early days of the 2nd century church, Gnosticism manifested with many faces; one of which was the teachings of a false teacher by the name of Marcion, in Rome.

This Gnostic also denied the spiritual import of the O.T. Scriptures which were fulfilled in the Incarnation of Christ; whose revelations of Godly Truth, Marcion favored less than the teachings of Paul.



His, and his followers' beliefs were very similar to MAD beliefs, but the early church condemned this wrong view as heretical. (This link posted, despite the author's desire to attributer Marcionism to Reformers, which is just plain silly.)

 

[patrick jane]

There is nothing new under the sun . . .

Back in the early days of the 2nd century church, Gnosticism manifested with many faces; one of which was the teachings of a false teacher by the name of Marcion, in Rome.

This Gnostic also denied the spiritual import of the O.T. Scriptures which were fulfilled in the Incarnation of Christ; whose revelations of Godly Truth, Marcion favored less than the teachings of Paul.



His, and his followers' beliefs were very similar to MAD beliefs, but the early church condemned this wrong view as heretical. (This link posted, despite the author's desire to attributer Marcionism to Reformers, which is just plain silly.)

interesting. what link ?

 

[Nang]

interesting. what link ?

Click on my words in my OP: "the early church condemned this wrong view."

 

[Jedidiah]

There is nothing new under the sun . . .

Amen !

...His, and his followers' beliefs were very similar to MAD beliefs, but the early church condemned this wrong view as heretical....

What does this mean, "the early church condemned" ? How did that happen ? Did they have a council like in Acts 15 ? Was it like the pope or something ?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

There is nothing new under the sun . . .

Back in the early days of the 2nd century church, Gnosticism manifested with many faces; one of which was the teachings of a false teacher by the name of Marcion, in Rome.

This Gnostic also denied the spiritual import of the O.T. Scriptures which were fulfilled in the Incarnation of Christ; whose revelations of Godly Truth, Marcion favored less than the teachings of Paul.



His, and his followers' beliefs were very similar to MAD beliefs, but the early church condemned this wrong view as heretical. (This link posted, despite the author's desire to attributer Marcionism to Reformers, which is just plain silly.)

I'll tell you what gives me a "Giggle!" The idea that, Calvinists; such
as yourself, see NO free-will on the part of mankind in the entire
Bible! That, shows a 'monumental' amount of intellectual blindness!

There's NO Scripture that can be used to "Prove" Calvinism? Your
"belief system" is a "Counterfeit man-made "system" that must,
change the "Character and intent" of God in order for it to become
palatable! It's another "false doctrine" being used to, obscure the
true Gospel! That being, the Grace Message delivered by the Risen
Christ to the Apostle Paul!

By the way Nang, do you KNOW for certain that you are one of the
so called "Elect?" If so, what do you base that on? Are you assured
of eternal life?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

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Amen !

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What does this mean, "the early church condemned" ? How did that happen ? Did they have a council like in Acts 15 ? Was it like the pope or something ?

Nang, no doubt, just made it up???

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

and his followers' beliefs were very similar to MAD beliefs,

Very "TRICKY" of you Nang! Explain to us in detail, just HOW
similar were this fellow's beliefs aligned with MAD? Use some
detail in your response? Answer some of the following questions;

1) Did he believe in "Rightly Dividing" the word?
2) Did he believe there were 'two' messages being
preached? (The Kingdom Message and the Grace
Message)
3) Did he believe that, the Risen Christ gave Paul
the 'message' he was to subsequently, to preach to
the gentiles?
4) Did he believe in God's Grace being offered to
those who would/will place their faith in Christ?
5) Did he believe that, once one hears the Grace
Message and places their faith in Christ, they are
sealed, indwelt, and baptized (not by water) by
the Holy Spirit into the "Body of Christ?"
6) Did he believe that, Peter and the rest preached
the Kingdom Message to the House of Israel, while
Paul delivered the Grace Message to the gentiles?
(you and I)
7) Did he believe in, Once Saved, Always Saved?
8) Did he believe that, the Jews are going to be
under the reign of Christ, when He sits on the
throne of David? That being, during Christ's future
earthly Kingdom?

Did this fellow come close to believing these few
questions? If he did then, who exactly called it,
"Heresy," and why?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

To be honest, I don't believe Nang will respond to my questions! She's
just attempting to disparage posters from following the truth of the,
Grace Message that was preached by the Apostle Paul! Her 'Calvinist'
system of belief states that, God 'chose' before the foundation of the
world, who He would save, and the rest were destined to eternal
damnation! Those chosen (according to Calvinism) are called; The
Elect!" Calvinism rejects/denies man's 'free-will' to choose what he
will place his faith in!

Some Calvinists (Hyper-Calvinists) believe that, God Himself creates
all sin! Calvinists believe that, unless God 'chooses' a man/woman
to be saved, they will not/can not, place their faith in Christ! Why you
may ask? Because, they first of all believe; man has no 'free-will' of
his own and, they believe that man is too depraved to even exercise
his free-will (if he had one) to place his/her faith in God's Son!

Yet, the New Testament teaches that, man MUST place his/her faith
in Christ in order to receive God's forgiveness, mercy, and eternal
life! However, the Calvinists don't let the TRUTH of God's written
word stand in the way of their, false doctrines!

 

[musterion]

The OP is Nang's version of "What I did on vacation."

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The OP is Nang's version of "What I did on vacation."

Yep! She continues her attack on truth!

 

[musterion]

Anyone who tried to follow Paul's doctrine consistently was marginalized pretty quickly not long after his death. Just look at what the so called early church fathers taught...salvific power of water baptism, endure or burn, etc. Grace as Paul preached it was GONE. Still is, mostly.

 

[Nick M]

Explain to us in detail, just HOW similar were this fellow's beliefs aligned with MAD?

She said this group listened to Paul's gospel. That pretty much tells you why she is against them. She is a demon possessed pervert and always will be. It is what she wants.

 

[Tambora]

Tet will be devastated that MAD was taught long before Darby.

 

[musterion]

Darby?

 

[musterion]

Tet will be devastated that MAD was taught long before Darby.

He'll just ignore it.

 

[tetelestai]

Tet will be devastated that MAD was taught long before Darby.

Sorry Tam, but it wasn't.

No matter how hard you guys try, and no matter how hard you guys want it to be, it just isn't so.

All this does is show you are in denial.

 

[musterion]

Tis a flesh wound!

 

[Nang]

At least the MADists are admitting the error is similar and gnostic in spirit. Like I said, there is nothing new under the sun. Most of the ancient heresies repeatedly raise their ugly heads in revised forms, down through history.

Darby simply invented the sensational idea of a "secret" catching up of the church, to revive Marcionism. He was quite successful, with those of an antinomian bent.

 

[musterion]

Scofieldarbullingerstamarcionism. That's what it is, how could I have never seen it until now?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

At least the MADists are admitting the error is similar and gnostic in spirit. Like I said, there is nothing new under the sun. Most of the ancient heresies repeatedly raise their ugly heads in revised forms, down through history.

Darby simply invented the sensational idea of a "secret" catching up of the church, to revive Marcionism. He was quite successful, with those of an antinomian bent.

Sorry to see you back Nang! All TOL needs is another bearer of
false doctrine!