ECT Sanctification, the cost that must paid.

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Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all...For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Heb.10:10,14).​

That is why believers are called "saints":

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God" (Eph.2:19).​

 

[revpete]

Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?[/QUOTE


That may be the method of sanctification but the meaning is to be set aside for exclusive use in the service of God as were the vessels of the Tabernacle. NT meaning is, simply to be made more like Jesus by the ministry of the indwelling Hold Spirit.

Pete

 

[Cross Reference]

=revpete;4396477=Cross Reference;4396049]Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing! And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

That may be the method of sanctification but the meaning is to be set aside for exclusive use in the service of God as were the vessels of the Tabernacle. NT meaning is, simply to be made more like Jesus by the ministry of the indwelling Hold Spirit.

Pete ��

And? Was not Jesus Christ set apart for the service of God? Now what does intimacy imply to the disciple considering the cost of his relationship with Him?

 

[DAN P]

Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

Hi , and there are 3 position of HAGIAMOS /SANCTIFICATION !!

#1 , All believers are set aside to God , as 2 Cor 1:1 !!

#2 Saved fron the Power of sin , as 1 Thess 4:7 !!

#3 When are Raptured /DEPARTED saved from the very Presence of Sin !!

dan p

 

[revpete]

And? Was not Jesus Christ set apart for the service of God? Now what does intimacy imply to the disciple considering the cost of his relationship with Him?

I feel the answer to that question comes with the experience of serving Him. I have taken quite a few funeral services but on Wednesday I have to take a funeral for a person who was involved with the spiritist movement, the church will be full of spiritists! That will be anew experience for me and intimacy with my Lord is of paramount importance for I have to declare His truth and at the same time be sensitive to a grieving family. This will be a time of learning and appreciation for me.

Pete

 

[Totton Linnet]

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all...For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Heb.10:10,14).​

That is why believers are called "saints":

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God" (Eph.2:19).​

Totally....all else holiness is the arm of the flesh which is an abomination to God, all else is onerous....flogging along.

Put on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the flesh

 

[Cross Reference]

I feel the answer to that question comes with the experience of serving Him.

<I want to make this non-personal>

How can anyone serve without intimacy with Him that we hear and speak His words and not our own?

Here is what I am getting at ___ Jesus said this to His Disciples at the finish of His transfiguration:

"And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." Matthew 17:7-9 (KJV)

Vs9 is where, if we place the spiritual connotation on it to understand it to mean 'until the Son of man is risen within you otherwise, you will not know how to explain what it is I have made you privy to', we can understand the ultimate need for saying anything of Christ is by cultivating our intimacy with Him. This goes hand in glove with our need to embrace John 17:3 by our seeking to "know" God as a son.

I have taken quite a few funeral services but on Wednesday I have to take a funeral for a person who was involved with the spiritist movement, the church will be full of spiritists! That will be anew experience for me and intimacy with my Lord is of paramount importance for I have to declare His truth and at the same time be sensitive to a grieving family. This will be a time of learning and appreciation for me.

Pete &#55357;&#56420;

Personally, I wouldn't do it unless someone I had trust in, one who understood as I understand the issues at a hand, would go with me for the sole purpose of praying for me and against the powers of darkness thru the whole service, the whole time I am there __ and even before __ perhaps a night of prayer the evening before.

Otherwise, who will you be serving in this, God or the family? If the family, you serve Satan. You can't serve God if you don't speak the truth. If you compromise you won't serve either, only the enemy of the souls sitting there.

Thanks for sharing this. I will be in prayer for you on Wednesday.

 

[revpete]

<I want to make this non-personal>

How can anyone serve without intimacy with Him that we hear and speak His words and not our own?

Here is what I am getting at ___ Jesus said this to His Disciples at the finish of His transfiguration:

"And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." Matthew 17:7-9 (KJV)

Vs9 is where, if we place the spiritual connotation on it to understand it to mean 'until the Son of man is risen within you otherwise, you will not know how to explain what it is I have made you privy to', we can understand the ultimate need for saying anything of Christ is by cultivating our intimacy with Him. This goes hand in glove with our need to embrace John 17:3 by our seeking to "know" God as a son.



Personally, I wouldn't do it unless someone I had trust in, one who understood as I understand the issues at a hand, would go with me for the sole purpose of praying for me and against the powers of darkness thru the whole service, the whole time I am there __ and even before __ perhaps a night of prayer the evening before.

Otherwise, who will you be serving in this, God or the family? If the family, you serve Satan. You can't serve God if you don't speak the truth. If you compromise you won't serve either, only the enemy of the souls sitting there.

Thanks for sharing this. I will be in prayer for you on Wednesday.

When one Is born again a new relationship is entered into but intimacy grows as the relationship grows and as a result of that intimacy the fruit of The Spirit begins to evidence itself but it's a progression not immediate.

My church and others have promised to pray through the service but your suggestion of prayer the evening before is good. Thanks also for your prayers they are much needed and appreciated.

Pete

 

[Nick M]

Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

1 Corinthians 11

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived......11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

All in one step. After hearing we believed and were sealed.

 

[Nick M]

When one Is born again a new relationship is entered into but intimacy grows as the relationship grows and as a result of that intimacy the fruit of The Spirit begins to evidence itself but it's a progression not immediate.

The fruit is your confession, not the actions of the dead flesh.

 

[Cross Reference]

1 Corinthians 11

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived......11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

All in one step. After hearing we believed and were sealed.

No proving of your faith first, beforehand? That's interesting. Wrong but, interesting. I think you should enlarge upon what it means to "believe".

 

[revpete]

The fruit is your confession, not the actions of the dead flesh.

I disagree there because anyone can say (confess) that they're a Christian. BTW the fruit of the Spirit in a Christians life Is not dead works of the flesh.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Does not Sanctification mean the "impartation" of the holy qualities of Jesus Christ __ no imitation here but the real thing? And this must not be confused with believing that His holy qualities are "imputed"; a free gift without a cost that must be paid by us who claim His Name unto salvation. OMT: Is it not that we should make that our endeavor this side of glory? Did not Jesus say for those who wanted to be His disciples to, count the cost?

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all...For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified" (Heb.10:10,14).​

That is why believers are called "saints":

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God" (Eph.2:19).​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

No proving of your faith first, beforehand?

John's words here prove that faith results in life:

" But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:31).​

 

[Cross Reference]

I disagree there because anyone can say (confess) that they're a Christian. BTW the fruit of the Spirit in a Christians life Is not dead works of the flesh.

How to determine that is the problem, isn't it?

 

[Cross Reference]

John's words here prove that faith results in life:

" But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:31).​

I wonder why Abraham's faith had to be proven? Even the faith of the whole nation of Israel had to be proven before entering the promised land.

 

[Nick M]

No proving of your faith first, beforehand?

Faith is proved with confessing.

Romans 10

9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

The blasphemy you utter about your self righteousness in front of others is my evidence you do not believe. That is how I prove you are outside the faith. Same with many on TOL. They don't believe and their lies shows me they do not believe he raised him from the dead. People like you that state in so many words a person can sin their way out of salvation or backslide in their relationship and go to hell shows you do not believe it is finished. Those of us in Christ will not be put to shame.

When we stand before the man, he will confess our name before the Father and all the angels. And he will say to you, depart from you that did evil, I never knew you.

 

[revpete]

How to determine that is the problem, isn't it?

It can be indeed. Over time though the words of Jesus are always the test: By their fruits you will know them.

Pete

 

[Nick M]

I disagree

So what. Paul says otherwise.

there because anyone can say (confess) that they're a Christian

And I know they are not because of what they say.

I am Christian. Evolution is how we came about. It is ok and not immoral to be a homo. The earth is billions of years old. Socialism is what God wants.

You get the idea. By the way, those that say those things always reject the gospel when you dig just a little bit.

BTW the fruit of the Spirit in a Christians life Is not dead works of the flesh.

You are not regard the flesh. Not even the earthly ministry to Israel, aka the red letters. The Lord Jesus Christ preached after his resurrection. That should be your concern.

16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

Romans 7

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Paul knew he was wrong, every day. Paul knew he transgressed God. The law proved it to him. That is the purpose of the law.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.

If you honestly measure yourself against the 10 commandments, you will find yourself guilty.