Real Science Friday: Laws Say, They Don't Do

[Jefferson]

RSF: Laws Say, They Don't Do

This is the show from Friday January 14th, 2011.

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

Hydrogen is a gas which if left long enough turns into people. That's the atheistic, evolutionary, big bang world view.

SUMMARY:

* Hawking's Mutter, Spiced Greens, & Fossil Butter: So, nothing created everything. Huh! On this episode of Real Science Friday Bob Enyart draw from the latest issue of Creation magazine to discuss:
- Butter fossilizing in Scotland in less than a million years
- Buttering our toast with spliced genes, and
- Buttering up Isaac Newton by pointing out that he trumps Stephen Hawking when it comes to how the planets go. Do laws cause actions, or do they explain actions? Hawking claims that the physical laws caused the universe. However, he is confusing kinds of things. For example, Newton's laws of physics don't cause billiard balls to move on a pool table. But they explain how they move when caused to move by some agent.

* Real Science Friday has Earned Itself a Logo! (See below)

* Sarfati Interview & RSF's $2,000 Offer: And remember Bob's interview with Dr. Jonathan Sarfati on his Greatest Hoax book rebutting Dawkin's latest effort. Also, Real Science Friday has already awarded $2,000 in prize money and now there's another $2,000 being offered right from our Evolve page!

* Cranky YouTube Evolutionist Alexdurrant7: Instead of saying, "I'm no creationist, but wow Bob's bold claim was unexpectedly vindicated," cranky Alexdurrant7 picks on our title: Dawkins *Proves* Creationist Right.Alexdurrant7: No. *Proof* is only possible in the field of mathematics.
YesYouNeedJesus: Hmmm...what laws of mathematics would you use to prove that you exist?
A7: I don't think it's provable. I said proof is only possible in mathematics...
YesJesus: Well then, does mathematics exist?To which A7 should reply: Touche

* BEL Audio from 1997 Confirmed Now By Richard Dawkins: Dawkins admits that in all of his previous books he assumed but did not provide evidence for evolution, thus vindicating Bob Enyart's direct statement to a 1997 caller:



* Special Editions of Real Science Friday:
- BEL's famous List of Not-So-Old Things
- Bob's debate with Christian Darwinist British author James Hannam
- PZ Myers blogs against Real Science Friday so Bob hits back with the Trochlea Challenge
- Waiting for Darwin's Other Shoe: Evolution mag's cover story Darwin Was Wrong on the Tree of Life
- Microbiologist in Studio: Bob talks with the Creation Research Society Quarterly editor about new genetic findings
- Caterpillar Kills Atheism: describe how a bug could evolve to liquefy itself and then build itself into a flying creature
- And see RSF Offer of $2,000 to get 16 letters of the alphabet in their correct places; $500 pd in 1998; $1,500 in 2010!

For our RSF Friends: in case you miss other BEL programs, here are some of the atheists Bob Enyart has debated:
- ABC's Reginald Finley, called The Infidel Guy, from ABC's Wife Swap program; 3-26-07;
- TheologyOnline's psychologist Zakath in a 10-round moderated written online debate, also available in soft cover;
- TOL's member who calls himself Fool; 3-28-06;
- John Henderson who wrote the book God.com 6-15-2006;
- Carlos Morales, Fox News, Huffington Post, etc. reports on U of Texas atheists Bible-turn in program, president of Atheist Agenda 7-14-10
- Freedom from Religion Foundation's Dan Barker (put the atheist sign near the Nativity at the capitol in Seattle) who was involved with the ministry of Kathryn Kuhlman, one of a group of so-called faith healers. (See a BEL listener who initially compared Bob to Benny Hinn until...) The BEL show was on 12-11-08;
- Michael Shermer, an editor with Scientific American and the Skeptic Society who in in this famous 73-second excerpt on BEL denied that the sun is a light, illustrating that it's tough debating atheists when they're hesitant to admit to even the most obvious common ground. 8-28-03

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In the Beginning and Bob's interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You'll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez' Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media's Unlocking the Mystery of Life You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart's Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's debate about Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott; And the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI's tremendous Creation magazine!

 

[Sherman]

Hydrogen is a gas which if left long enough turns into people.

:doh:

Fossilized Butter :idea: Don't try eating it. You'll bust your teeth.
Humans 99.97 percent chimp? Balderdash. Sponges 70 percent human? Not. Looks like the same tool box is used to make the different creatures.

Nothing beautiful about the 'beautiful people' if they won't allow you to teach creation science. Their concept of 'diversity' is poisonous anyways--calling the perversion of homosexuality normal.

Squeezing the whole universe into the head of the pin to start the big Bang takes greater faith then believing God creating the universe. I had read about this head of a pin concept and it just sounds kooko. :kookoo:

 

[Persephone66]

Actually, everything creates nothing.

 

[Stripe]

Actually, everything creates nothing.

You've never heard that matter and energy cannot be destroyed, right?

 

[Frayed Knot]

You've never heard that matter and energy cannot be destroyed, right?

The physicist Lawrence Krauss has done a one-hour lecture giving an overview of the current leading ideas of physics. It's called "A Universe From Nothing."

In case you don't want to take the hour to expand your horizons, here's a little spoiler. The end result is, to the best of our ability to measure, the net energy of the universe seems to be very very close to zero.

You can watch it on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

 

[Jukia]

Hydrogen gas turns into people?

Did I miss something? Did Kent Hovind get out of jail? This type of ridiculous statement is exactly like those that would bring "Amens" from Dr. Dino's minions.

Pastor Bob panders to the same uneducated frightened people with claims that do not even reach simplistic levels.

 

[Granite]

Hydrogen gas turns into people?

Did I miss something? Did Kent Hovind get out of jail? This type of ridiculous statement is exactly like those that would bring "Amens" from Dr. Dino's minions.

Pastor Bob panders to the same uneducated frightened people with claims that do not even reach simplistic levels.

Yeah. Reading this kind of "argument" can get downright painful.

 

[Tyrathca]

Hydrogen gas turns into people?

Technically correct actually, though obviously misleading in its simplicity. All the atoms in our bodies were at some point created from hydrogen via fusion in stars and during supernovae.

 

[Stripe]

Technically correct actually, though obviously misleading in its simplicity. All the atoms in our bodies were at some point created from hydrogen via fusion in stars and during supernovae.

:mock: Hydrogen Jukia.

 

[Stripe]

obviously misleading in its simplicity.

How is it "obviously misleading in its simplicity"? :idunno:

 

[Tyrathca]

How is it "obviously misleading in its simplicity"? :idunno:

Well for one hydrogen left long enough will become heavier elements only if left in sufficient quantities and densities. But it wont necessarily become anything resembling people and even when it did it was only a mindbogglingly minuscule proportion. The quote makes it sound like if you left a bottle of hydrogen for a trillion years one day it would also transform into a person.

 

[Stripe]

The quote makes it sound like if you left a bottle of hydrogen for a trillion years one day it would also transform into a person.

Well we both know that can't happen. :chuckle:

 

[The Graphite]

How can it be "misleading" if it is "obvious?" The fact that it's "obvious" would indicate that it's not "misleading." None of Bob's radio listeners heard this show and thought, "Gee, if I fill a plastic bottle with hydrogen and let it sit there for a trillion years, it will turn into people."

Thank you for demonstrating that hydrogen, given enough time, will also turn into straw people, as well. :doh:

 

[Tyrathca]

Well we both know that can't happen. :chuckle:

Well more accurately we have no reason to think it could.

 

[Stripe]

Well more accurately we have no reason to think it could.

No, I think mine was more accurate.

 

[Jukia]

Technically correct actually, though obviously misleading in its simplicity. All the atoms in our bodies were at some point created from hydrogen via fusion in stars and during supernovae.

I know that, but it goes beyond being misleading. It shows either a total misunderstanding of science or an active desire to lie about how the natural world works in an attempt to gain praise and $. I'll go with the second choice.
It does however show a great understanding of his audience.

 

[Stripe]

I know that, but it goes beyond being misleading. It shows either a total misunderstanding of science or an active desire to lie about how the natural world works in an attempt to gain praise and $. I'll go with the second choice.it does however show a great understanding of his audience.

:rotfl:

You're an imbecile.

 

[Jukia]

:rotfl:

You're an imbecile.

Christian charity, Stripe, Christian charity.

 

[Stripe]

Christian charity, Stripe, Christian charity.

What was uncharitable about that?

 

[Jukia]

What was uncharitable about that?

Name calling by a professed Christian shows a lack of charity and patience.

But then certain Christians here love to show their faith by name calling when they are caught in some general or specific stupidity.