Dinosaurs, Fossils & Montana's Best Museum
This is the show from Friday, March 30th 2012.
SUMMARY:
Curator Otis Kline: On this special edition of Real Science Friday, Otis Kline, founder of the Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum talks with Bob Enyart about the two world renowned laboratories that both reported Carbon 14 in their Edmontosaur, Hadrosaur, and Triceratops fossils. These results match two peer-reviewed studies that have also carbon dated dinosaur era specimens, from multiple labs, and all indicating that these specimens are thousands and not millions of years old!
Visit the Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum: If you're going to Montana, you've GOT TO SEE THIS MUSEUM! If you're not going to Montana, you've GOT TO GO TO MONTANA! Please call ahead if you are planning to go: (406) 377-FACT (3228) or email Otis Kline at fact@midrivers.com.
* See Bob's Software Invention: at RealScienceFriday.com/Display.exe. Bob's program can display, among other things, the source code for any software program!
* Find the Two PhysOrg.com Errors in the Following Quote: Curator Otis Cline informed our RSF audience about this recent scientific discovery of interest toward refuting old-earth assumptions. QUESTIONS: Regarding the soft muscle tissue from a salamander recently excavated, a PhysOrg.com article has an error in the first and last sentences of this excerpt. Can you spot them?
Scientists have extracted organically preserved muscle tissue from an 18 million years old salamander fossil. The discovery by researchers from University College Dublin, the UK and Spain, reported in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B shows that soft tissue can be preserved under a broader set of fossil conditions than previously known. The scientists claim that their discovery is unequivocal evidence that high-fidelity organic preservation of extremely decay prone soft tissues is more common in the fossil record - the only physical record of the history of life on earth.
ANSWERS: Last Sentence Error. This PhysOrg report falsely claims that fossils are the only physical record of the history of life on earth. Because of heritable mutations and other modifications to the genomes of millions of different species, DNA provides another physical record of the history of life. Our own cells therefore provide a biological clock that could theoretically date the original man and woman from whom all living human beings descended! (See RealScienceFriday.com/list#mtDNA) And there is plenty of unfossilized animal and plant material that scientists have excavated (and even just picked up off the ground) from allegedly millions of years ago.
First Sentence Error. The first sentence repeats the falacy that such fossils bearing soft tissue are millions of years old. Original biological material including as in a T. rex, a hardrosaur, Archaeopteryx, a mosasaur, and this salamander, would not survive for millions of years. (See RealScienceFriday.com/list-of-not-so-old-things.)
* Amazingly Accurate Measurements: Mass spectrometers are now so precise they can practically count individual carbon 14 atoms. With the accuracy and caution used in labs to not contaminate specimens it is very unlikely that the dating of soft tissue from dinosaurs is inaccurate. Therefore these results reliably indicate ages in the thousands and not in the millions of years. For more, see RealScienceFriday.com/list#c14.
* The Writen Debate with Atheist AronRA and Bob Enyart: The creation/evolution debate on the British website League of Reason continues with Bob's post in Round Four. We're eagerly waiting for Aron's Round Four post!
Today's Resource: Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown's In the Beginning and Bob's interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You'll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez' Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media's Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart's Age of the Earth Debate; and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI's tremendous Creation magazine!
This is the show from Friday, March 30th 2012.
SUMMARY:
Curator Otis Kline: On this special edition of Real Science Friday, Otis Kline, founder of the Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum talks with Bob Enyart about the two world renowned laboratories that both reported Carbon 14 in their Edmontosaur, Hadrosaur, and Triceratops fossils. These results match two peer-reviewed studies that have also carbon dated dinosaur era specimens, from multiple labs, and all indicating that these specimens are thousands and not millions of years old!
Visit the Glendive Dinosaur & Fossil Museum: If you're going to Montana, you've GOT TO SEE THIS MUSEUM! If you're not going to Montana, you've GOT TO GO TO MONTANA! Please call ahead if you are planning to go: (406) 377-FACT (3228) or email Otis Kline at fact@midrivers.com.
* See Bob's Software Invention: at RealScienceFriday.com/Display.exe. Bob's program can display, among other things, the source code for any software program!
* Find the Two PhysOrg.com Errors in the Following Quote: Curator Otis Cline informed our RSF audience about this recent scientific discovery of interest toward refuting old-earth assumptions. QUESTIONS: Regarding the soft muscle tissue from a salamander recently excavated, a PhysOrg.com article has an error in the first and last sentences of this excerpt. Can you spot them?
Scientists have extracted organically preserved muscle tissue from an 18 million years old salamander fossil. The discovery by researchers from University College Dublin, the UK and Spain, reported in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B shows that soft tissue can be preserved under a broader set of fossil conditions than previously known. The scientists claim that their discovery is unequivocal evidence that high-fidelity organic preservation of extremely decay prone soft tissues is more common in the fossil record - the only physical record of the history of life on earth.
ANSWERS: Last Sentence Error. This PhysOrg report falsely claims that fossils are the only physical record of the history of life on earth. Because of heritable mutations and other modifications to the genomes of millions of different species, DNA provides another physical record of the history of life. Our own cells therefore provide a biological clock that could theoretically date the original man and woman from whom all living human beings descended! (See RealScienceFriday.com/list#mtDNA) And there is plenty of unfossilized animal and plant material that scientists have excavated (and even just picked up off the ground) from allegedly millions of years ago.
Spoiler
First Sentence Error. The first sentence repeats the falacy that such fossils bearing soft tissue are millions of years old. Original biological material including as in a T. rex, a hardrosaur, Archaeopteryx, a mosasaur, and this salamander, would not survive for millions of years. (See RealScienceFriday.com/list-of-not-so-old-things.)
* Amazingly Accurate Measurements: Mass spectrometers are now so precise they can practically count individual carbon 14 atoms. With the accuracy and caution used in labs to not contaminate specimens it is very unlikely that the dating of soft tissue from dinosaurs is inaccurate. Therefore these results reliably indicate ages in the thousands and not in the millions of years. For more, see RealScienceFriday.com/list#c14.
* The Writen Debate with Atheist AronRA and Bob Enyart: The creation/evolution debate on the British website League of Reason continues with Bob's post in Round Four. We're eagerly waiting for Aron's Round Four post!
Today's Resource: Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown's In the Beginning and Bob's interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You'll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez' Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media's Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart's Age of the Earth Debate; and the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI's tremendous Creation magazine!
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