On the Climate change front - 2016 is already heating up.

[HisServant]

Not true. There's no natural process that would have brought all of the carbon and methane stored deep inside the planet to the surface on anything like the scale of human activity. The climate would have changed naturally, but probably on a much slower timetable that life has been adapting to for billions of years.

Do you realize you just contradicted yourself in this response and affirmed my statement.

Thanks!

FYI, all it would take for elevated levels of both is one huge volcanic eruption on the scale of Vesuvius or Pompeii... which have been happening cyclic for millennial to undo anything that man can do... and would increase the co2 and methane must faster than humankind can do.

 

[rexlunae]

Do you realize you just contradicted yourself in this response and affirmed my statement.

How so?

Thanks!

Um, sure.

FYI, all it would take for elevated levels of both is one huge volcanic eruption on the scale of Vesuvius or Pompeii...

That's not true.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

And even if it were true, you argument then is that a man-made disaster is okay as long as it's smaller than a hypothetical natural disaster. So, Chernobyl was no big deal because the asteroid that knocked out the dinosaurs was much worse. And for that matter, a near-earth supernova could wipe out much of the life on Earth, so we might as well detonate nuclear weapons in the atmosphere as much as we want.

which have been happening cyclic for millennial to undo anything that man can do... and would increase the co2 and methane must faster than humankind can do.

Volcanoes have a measurable and somewhat predictable short-term impact on the planet. Nothing like sustained, increasing emissions of CO2. No, these natural sources are part of the planet's short-term (on the order of a few years) equilibrium. Human activities are more like the rarity of a major extinction event, of which there have only been a handful in the history of our planet.

And as a small correction, I can't think why volcanoes would release significant amounts of methane. Methane (natural gas) is flammable, so it seems like most natural sources would burn off in most eruptions if exposed to oxygen. The result would be carbon dioxide and water vapor, which are both greenhouse gases, but less potent than the methane.

 

[HisServant]

And as a small correction, I can't think why volcanoes would release significant amounts of methane. Methane (natural gas) is flammable, so it seems like most natural sources would burn off in most eruptions if exposed to oxygen. The result would be carbon dioxide and water vapor, which are both greenhouse gases, but less potent than the methane.

That is because like everything else, you cant comprehend the entire picture and think for yourself.. or can and refuse to.

There is more methane frozen in the arctic regions than anything we can possibly produce.

 

[rexlunae]

The question is what are we (mankind) going to do about it? People always talk about polution but rarely offer any possible solutions.

Well, for a lot of people, the question seems to be "is it happening?", or "Is it really human-causes?".

Develop and deploy green energy sources. Cap-and-trade. :shrug: The means are out there to slow it down. We just need to do them.

IMO what will probably happen is it will get a lot worse, a lot of people will suffer and die in places like China and India, nations like Bangledesh will likley disappear, and all those people will be forced to move elsewhere.

There's a good 40% of Bangladesh that probably won't go anywhere. But 150 million people in an area the size of New Jersey could be a bit of a problem.

But it's not just people in other countries that will suffer. Americans will too. There's a real case to make that the Syrian civil war is partially a result of climate change. So the refugee crisis on Europe is at least partially a result of climate change.

Ther will be wars over farm land and water sources. At some point in about 80-100 years from now only then will mankind be desperate enough to actually do something on a global scale. Then mankind will move on, probably with a lower global population than we have today.

I think there are legitimate reasons to be optimistic that something can be done to mitigate the worst.

 

[HisServant]

There's a real case to make that the Syrian civil war is partially a result of climate change.

Yet Israel has been able to adapt and actually thrive under the current climate change.

The syrian war has been due to a failure of leadership... both from the leaders of there and Obama.

 

[ok doser]

The question is what are we (mankind) going to do about it?

i'm going to enjoy it :idunno:


and mock all the chicken littles ::mock:

 

[CabinetMaker]

FYI, all it would take for elevated levels of both is one huge volcanic eruption on the scale of Vesuvius or Pompeii... which have been happening cyclic for millennial to undo anything that man can do... and would increase the co2 and methane must faster than humankind can do.

The fatal flaw in your reasoning here is in that you are only thinking in terms of a very large eruption. What you need to remember is that volcanic activity has been around as long, and far longer, than man has walked the Earth. Everything that man burns, millions of barrels of oil per day, trillions of cubic feet of natural gas per day, millions of tons of coal per day, acres of wood per day, all of the gases generated by burning those fuels are added to the volcanic activity that is on going. It is foolish to think that man has no impact on the world in which we live.

 

[Alate_One]

Do you realize you just contradicted yourself in this response and affirmed my statement.

Thanks!

FYI, all it would take for elevated levels of both is one huge volcanic eruption on the scale of Vesuvius or Pompeii... which have been happening cyclic for millennial to undo anything that man can do... and would increase the co2 and methane must faster than humankind can do.

Wrong. All of the eruptions on earth (even big ones) are far smaller than human CO2 emissions. It would take a ridiculous amount of volcanic activity over a long period of time to come close to the scale of human CO2 emissions.

 

[Alate_One]

Even the meteorologists are recognizing our crazy weather is due to climate change.

 

[intojoy]

Even the meteorologists are recognizing our crazy weather is due to climate change.

The best is yet to come.


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