Mysticism Divination

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[FONT=&quot]Mysticism Divination[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Numbers 22:7[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The elders of Moab and Midian left, taking with them the fee for divination.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] When they came to Balaam, they told him what Balak had said. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Numbers 24:1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now when Balaam saw that it pleased the Lord to bless Israel, he did not resort to divination as at other times, but turned his face toward the wilderness.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]None of the prophets of God were Mystic’s or Diviners. Only Balaam whom was a Pagan used divination for a short time. God chooses whom He will reveal any mysteries to.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Even though God would answer the high priest with the Urim[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and the Thummim, that does not mean there was anything mystical about it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]God speaks to whomever He pleases, whenever He pleases. There is no mysticism or divination involved.[/FONT]
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And another thing. There is no such thing as Angels. The correct translation is messenger. Angels are from mysticism and are myths. Angels are not mystical magical beings, with super natural powers that can melt your brains out. I thought I would add a little bit of corn to that bundle.
 
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Messengers are real, but Angels are not. Another thing, sometimes the messenger is part of a parable. In other words, the fantastic description is a parable.

Colossians 2:18

Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their un-spiritual mind.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Revelation 2:14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balak[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Zohar[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Zohar, the basic text of the Kabalah, offers a special interpretation to the Balak being "The Son of Zippor". In Hebrew, "Zippor" (ציפור) means "bird". According to the Zohar, this was not the name of Balak's father but rather referred to a magical metal bird which Balak made use of. As the Zohar recounts, such a bird has a head made of gold, a mouth made of silver and wings made of copper mixed with silver, and its body is made of gold; once the bird is made, it should be put during the day in a window facing the Sun and during the night in a window facing the Moon, while burning incense in front of it for seven days and seven nights. Thereupon, the bird would start talking and foretelling of what is about to happen. Only the most skilled of wizards could construct such a bird. Balak, the greatest wizard of his age, managed it. The bird was always sitting on Balak's shoulder and whispering in his ear, and therefore he was nicknamed "Son of the Bird". The Zohar further recounts that the bird spoke true words of prophecy in Balak's ear and warned him not to set himself against the Sons of Israel, and also foretold of the harsh punishment in store for himself and for the Moabits. Nevertheless, Balak persisted in his wrong way and was punished exactly as the bird foretold. [/FONT]
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I think you ought to define what you mean by mysticism before drawing your sweeping conclusions. Most misunderstanding in interpretation of the Scriptures is due to ambiguous words and sentences.The reader chooses the meaning that suits his/her point of view and often draws false conclusions. Divination and mysticism are not the same thing. Patrick Cronin
 
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Patrick Cronin said:
The Greek for "messenger" is "anggelos". Luke names the 'messenger' sent by God to Mary as the 'Angel Gabriel'. (Luke 1:26)
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The English TRANSLATION is "messenger."

Strong's Concordance
aggelos: an angel, messenger
Original Word: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural) messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.
 
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Patrick Cronin said:
I think you ought to define what you mean by mysticism before drawing your sweeping conclusions. Most misunderstanding in interpretation of the Scriptures is due to ambiguous words and sentences.The reader chooses the meaning that suits his/her point of view and often draws false conclusions. Divination and mysticism are not the same thing. Patrick Cronin
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Pardon me, I meant to say: There is no mysticism or divination involved.
 
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Demons, devils, satans, evil spirits, all are characters or manifestations of evil persons recognized by their thoughts and deeds. Spirit is the nature of a person, place, or thing. A person who has demons or evil spirits, is a person with different sins in their life.


Mark 7:15
Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”


1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.


Luke 7:21
At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind.

What is your understanding of such things?
 
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CherubRam said:
"Satan" is a parable. There are many Satan's. The term is applied to different persons.
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But there is one (only one) who is the god of this age.

"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded" (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
 
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But there is one (only one) who is the god of this age.

"But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded" (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
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The gospel is veiled to those who can not identify a parable.
 
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jamie said:
OK, it's over your head. :carryon:
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[FONT=&quot]Revelation 2:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.


When John wrote the book of Revelation Pergamum was part of the Roman impire.

Pergamum (pûr'gəməm), ancient city of NW Asia Minor, in Mysia (modern Turkey), in the fertile valley of the Caicus. It became important c.300 B.C., after the breakup of the Macedonian empire, when a Greek family (the Attalids) established a brilliant center of Hellenistic civilization. The kingdom achieved major importance under Attalus I (d. 197 B.C.), Eumenes II (d. 160 or 159), and Attalus II (d. 138). These kings followed a pro-Roman policy through fear of the imperialism of Philip V of Macedon and of Antiochus III of Syria. The independence of Pergamum ended dramatically when Attalus III (d.133) bequeathed the kingdom to the Roman people.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[ The Temptation of Jesus ] Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:1-3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:4-6[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:7-9[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:11[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4:10-12[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 13:39[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 13:38-40[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 25:41[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 25:40-42[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 25[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4:1-3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:3[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4:2-4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4:4-6[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4:8-10[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4:12-14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Luke 8:12[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 8:11-13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Luke 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 6:70[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 6:69-71[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 6[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 8:42[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[ The Children of the Devil ] Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 8:41-43[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 8:44[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 8:43-45[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John 13:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 13:1-3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]John 13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Acts 10:38[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 10:37-39[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 10[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 13:9-11[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ephesians 4:27[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
and do not give the devil a foothold.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ephesians 4:26-28[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ephesians 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ephesians 6:11[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ephesians 6:10-12[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ephesians 6[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3:5-7[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3:7[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Timothy 3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Timothy 2:26[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 Timothy 2:25-26[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 Timothy 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 2:14[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hebrews 2:13-15[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hebrews 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]James 3:15[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]James 3:14-16[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]James 3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]James 4:7[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]James 4:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]James 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Peter 5:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Peter 5:7-9[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 Peter 5[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 John 3:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 John 3:7-9[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 John 3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 John 3:10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 John 3:9-11[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 John 3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jude 1:9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jude 1:8-10[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Jude 1[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 2:10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 2:9-11[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
The great dragon was hurled down—[/FONT][FONT=&quot]that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan[/FONT][FONT=&quot], who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:8-10[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 12[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:12[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:11-13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 12[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 20:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]who is the devil, or Satan[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and bound him for a thousand years.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 20:1-3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 20[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 20:10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the/that beast/nation and false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented/punished day and night for ever and ever.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 20:9-11[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (in Context) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Revelation 20[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (Whole Chapter) [/FONT]
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