Justin (Wiccan) said:
Being "pro-life" is not about telling lies. Yes, I know the pro-choice crowd is telling some lies about abortion, but so are a lot of the pro-choice. Every week, I hear more spinning on our side--ranging from the "Abortion-Breast Cancer Link"
You deny there is a link? Do you think those who present evidence for this link are lying and don't really believe there is a link? Upon what evidence do you make this claim?
Being "pro-life" is not about seeking power. Turbo, I know you agreed with Bob's letter to James Dobson, but that was nothing more than an attempt to grab audience share
So... your evidence that Bob Enyart is not truly pro-life is that he wrote an open letter criticizing out the failed political strategy of a popular pro-life leader
and the vast majority of pro-life Christian, his core potential audience.
If Bob's primary goal were to gain the largest audience possible he wouldn't promote such unpopular views.
Do you deny that Bob really believes Dobson should stand by his promise from years ago and that pro-lifers supporting the Republican party has been counterproductive?
--and it was seen as such by the pro-abortion side.
I'm not hoping to gain favor from pro-aborts, and I'm sure Bob isn't either. But if your goal is to be popular among pro-aborts, then keep on advocating that murdering the unborn should be legal and you should do fine.
And frankly, the absolute worst thing that would happen is Enyart's pie-in-the-sky "Godly Government." Turbo, I say to you that one cannot eliminate abortion at the national level, the state level, or the municipal level by illegalizing it.
No one has claimed that a Godly government could
eliminate crime. But just as with other crimes, that will
minimize abortions, especially if the punishment is appropriate.
To think that we could
eliminate murder by convincing
every individual not to murder, all while keeping murder legal is truly "pie-in-the-sky."
The only way abortion will ever be eliminated is at the individual level, and this will not be accomplished by waving bloody posters around and telling abortion workers and clinic patients how evil they are.
I know members of Bob's church who minister outside a local abortion clinic any time they're operating, and they do use graphic signs and of course they tell the patients that they are about to commit murder. That's called telling the truth. And they have to hit hard because they don't have much time to make an impact. And guess what... they have saved
many many babies.
Do you think they're really just seeking power, too?
Abortion will never be eliminated by writing laws against it: it will only be eliminated by changing the hearts of the people, one heart at a time. This change of heart cannot be imposed by law, authority, or threat: it will only occur when that individual meets God.
Frankly, getting people to not want to slaughter their unborn children is not as important as preventing children from being slaughtered. So if people only refrain from committing murder because they fear punishment, the would-be murderers still sin but their would-be victims much prefer that over being murdered.
And that's the basic, and fundamental, flaw of Enyart's proposed theonomy. You may end up with people who abide by the "Law," but that Law will never change the heart.
Should we therefore decriminalize all murder, as well as rape and theft and every other crime?
In addition to protecting would-be crime victims, good laws help people to correctly recognize right and wrong, and to recognize that they are sinners in need of the Savior. Also, people are more willing to believe that a just God exists when they see justice carried out. (Of course the majority will still reject God.)
Turbo, if Christians no longer trust the ability of God to change the heart, then let them go to imposing those changes by Law, if they can.
:duh: God calls governing authorities His ministers, and tells them to punish criminals. That's one of the methods God uses to draw people to Him.
I see lots of evidence in this post that perhaps you are not pro-life, but none that suggests that Bob Enyart is not.
