Perhaps I was not clear. I actually listened to the entire sermon. And the others you have pointed to by the same fellow. You want to claim he has no presuppositions, yet the full corpus of his online talks are quite clear in their assumptions of "refuting" Calvinism. So to claim I am asking for more than I am willing to do myself is just wrong. He has a nice folksy way about him and I enjoy listening to him, but the fact that he labors under so many misconceptions about that which he cavils strongly about cannot be overlooked.
I do not post talks and sermons by others for the simple reason that few would give them the same hearing I give others' posts of the same. Maybe you are the exception to the common practice, I do not know. Here is one you could just read:
https://archive.spurgeon.org/sermons/0052.php
Would that you attend to what I recommend as I have to what you have recommended. :AMR:
AMR
I concluded what I concluded based on two sets of patterns, or "the things that differ" between things that do.
One of those having been the time stamp differences between my OP (11:42pm) the length of that video study (44:51 - 44 minutes and 51 seconds) and your reply, just ten minutes later (11:52pm).
The other, I'll refrain from going into, at this time.
But be it through the Scripture, or through books based on, and or supposedly based on the Scripture, students of "the Bible" cannot but end up students of "the things that differ" between things.
Which winds up presenting its own set of problems and need for the solving of.
Like the problem that can often result in - in reading a thing that differs, into a thing that is not actually the case.
Which is where I found myself at, given those two patterns - those time stamp differences being one of them.
One, at the time you posted your assertion, they did not support your assertion that you heard that entire study out.
Two, that left this brother, on this side of our fence, with a predicament - how to address that anomally in a manner that allows what I often find lacking in other's dealings towards others on here, towards myself included - how to address such anomalies in a manner that allows the other side the benefit of the doubt; that allows THEM an ACTUAL hearing out - in other words "with ALL readiness of mind" Acts 17: 11b...
You must see the quandary you left me at.
And these kinds of in the moment decision making (which you assert that video study is skewed in) are an important aspect of and is the very heart of what that video study went into - the Believer's part in His everyday, Word Based, and thus, Spirit led, Decision Making as a Son of God.
Result?
If anything, this very quandary your assertion has resulted in for me, has actually proven the assertions made on that video study about how sound, Word Based Decision Making in the very heat of any moment itself works, when it is best tested "of what sort it is" - in the heat of any moment.
Does one choose to go by the Word in dealing with a problem, or with the flesh's lies?
For in a sense, one aspect of what was so well presented in that video is the issue of what wording in Scripture like Romans 8:28's "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose" is actually referring to and how that actually works - out here in the laboratory that is each Believer's every day dealing with his or her day to day moment.
If anything, this quandary has presented me with an opportunity to practice what I hold to that that study also holds to.
Where we differ is that you view that as Providence.
I on the other hand view that as the Chance of...
Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
And its resulting need for Objective, that is to say, the Rightly Divided Word Based Decision Making of...
1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
And whether you now go into all that or not, you still have to address that time stamp anomaly. :chuckle:
All the more good.
For that only allows for one more opportunity to look over at one another from a consciously decided - nevertheless Romans 14: 5 towards you - in memory of Romans 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.
And that...is never a bad "all things work together for good to them that love God" to objectively decide to participate in helping bringing about WITH Him and unto HIS Glory IN His Son. :thumb:
