Let the Murdering Government Prevent Abortions?

drbrumley

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It’s so good at such things, says Laurence M. Vance.


Entire article here.

The problem with these “heartbeat bills,” aside from the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees that some states have spent defending them, is that the person least likely to want to discover a baby’s heartbeat—the abortionist—is the one responsible to check for a heartbeat.

The recent flood of “heartbeat bills” in state legislatures is a response to laws like that recently passed in New York that effectively allow a woman to terminate her pregnancy (kill her baby) up to the point of birth.


How sad that “heartbeat bills” are challenged in courts, but abortions in the last trimester of pregnancy are not. How tragic that there is waiting period to buy a gun, but not to have an abortion.

Conservative Christians, of which I am one, are cheering these “heartbeat bills,” and I am cheering, in principle, with them. However, there is an unintended consequence of these bills that I should point out. They serve to reinforce the attitude that is all to prevalent among conservative Christians: let the government do it.

No need to persuade women to not get an abortion—let the government do it by imposing restrictions on abortion.

And it’s not just abortion where many conservative Christians have abdicated their responsibility.

No need to persuade people not to gamble—let the government do it by prohibiting gambling or imposing restrictions on it.

No need to persuade people not to abuse drugs—let the government do it by declaring war on drugs.

No need to persuade women not to sell their bodies—let the government do it by outlawing prostitution.

No need to persuade teenagers not to listen to music with raunchy lyrics—let the government do it by mandating warning labels on records.

No need to have prayer and Bible reading in the home—let the government do it by requiring these things in public schools.

No need to persuade people to spend time in church or with their families—let the government do it by forbidding car dealers from opening on Sunday.

No need to persuade teenagers not to smoke—let the government do it by raising the tobacco purchase age to 21.

No need to feed the hungry—let the government do it with food stamps.

No need to care for the aged, widows, orphans, and disabled—let the government do it with Social Security.

No need to persuade people not to abuse alcohol—let the government do it by instituting Prohibition, raising the drinking age to 21, or preventing businesses from selling alcohol on Sunday.

No need to persuade unmarried people not to commit fornication—let the government do it by criminalizing fornication.

On this last point I note that the Utah legislature recently passed a bill to decriminalize fornication.

In Title 76, Chapter 7, Part 1, Section 104 of the Utah Criminal Code it says this about fornication:
76-7-104. Fornication.
(1) Any unmarried person who shall voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse with another is guilty of fornication.
(2) Fornication is a class B misdemeanor.

Violation of this law, which is no longer enforced, can result in up to six months in jail and a fine of $1,000.

The Utah state legislature recently passed legislation to repeal this law. Yet, some conservatives in the Utah House disapproved of the repeal.

Conservative Christians, of all people, should not look to the government to do anything.
 

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This is a lot of hooey - libertarianism mixed with devout Christianity . And proof that libertarianism has absolutely nothing to do with liberty .
"Heartbeat " bills will do absolutely nothing to stop abortion . There is only one way to prevent abortion, and this is to prevent unwanted pregnancies - a very desirable goal but more easily said than done . Government -ordered compulsory childbirth is the very antithesis of libertarianism - government regulation of women's bodies, lives, health and futures and with zero regard for baby since born .
Abusing drugs is a terrible thing , but he's right about the war on drugs being a dismal failure .
But where this writer is dead wrong is his claim that people should not look for the government to do anything . This is totally unrealistic . The government shouldn't help hungry people and only private charities and individuals should do this ? Sounds nice in theory - but this will never work . The government shouldn't provide food stamps ? Well, food is just too expensive for too many Americans . If it weren't, we wouldn't have so many people needing them .
Teenagers listening to music with raunchy lyrics ? Come on . There are infinitely worse problems in America . Older people have always been complaining boat the music young people listen to . Elvis Presley was once controversial . There are infinitely worse things teenagers can do than listen to music with raunchy lyrics .
Legalizing prostitution in America would not be a bad idea at all . It would save an enormous amount of money and be financially profitable .
"Fornication "? This is a stupid , hopelessly outdated term . Sex between consented adults who are not married is not a crime, nor should it ever be considered one . The government has absolutely no business in people's bedrooms if it's consensual and in private and no one is harmed .
If our government were to drop all its programs to help those in need , there would be total chaos in America , and there would be millions of jobless, homeless people starving and dying in the street and mass rioting and looting of supermarkets . Our entire economy would collapse and the resulting chaos would make Venezuela look like a picnic .
 

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There is only one way to prevent abortion, and this is to prevent unwanted pregnancies ...

nothing could be easier

..zero regard for baby since born .

what a very retarded thing to think


Abusing drugs is a terrible thing , but he's right about the war on drugs being a dismal failure .

that's because it's stupid to declare war on a thing

should have declared war on drug buyers and sellers
 

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Conservative Christians, of which I am one, are cheering these “heartbeat bills,” and I am cheering, in principle, with them. However, there is an unintended consequence of these bills that I should point out. They serve to reinforce the attitude that is all to prevalent among conservative Christians: let the government do it.

That's because...if the issue(s) in question doesn't directly affect the conservative's life they've only a cherry-picked, general concern. It's not their problem...there's nary an incentive (an all too important conservative ideal.) to invest in the problem...no reason to get their hands dirty.

Let someone else deal with it!
 

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It’s so good at such things, says Laurence M. Vance.

Whoever this dude is, he's part of the problem.

Heartbeat bills are evil; they're pro-abortion regulations. Abortion is murder.

There is a role for government. It is supposed to perform its necessary roles well.
 
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