Jews for Judaism: The Passover Lamb

[Jerry Shugart]

Here is what the folks at "Jews for Judaism" say about the passover lambs:

"The actual meaning and significance of the Passover lamb is, in fact, a total repudiation of Christianity. Four days prior to the Exodus, the children of Israel were instructed to set aside a lamb that they would eat on the evening prior to leaving Egypt (Exodus 12:3-6). This was a tremendously risky act of defiance because the Egyptians worshiped the lamb (Exodus 8:22/8:26 in a non-Jewish Bible).

The slaughtering of the Paschal lamb was a dramatic renunciation of idolatry. It was a statement that the people inside those houses worshiped God alone. The blood on their doorposts was a brave protest against the prevailing beliefs and a forceful rejection of the worship of any created being. Our Passover today continues to serve as a rejection of the deification of any human being."​

http://jewsforjudaism.ca/jesus-not-passover-lamb/​

Let us look at what is said about a lamb in regard to the religion which the LORD gave to the children of Israel:

"Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even...This shall be a continual burnt offering throughout your generations at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there unto thee" (Ex.29;38,42).​

Here is what the Jews themselves say about the burnt offerings:

"Olah: Burnt Offering

Perhaps the best-known class of offerings is the burnt offering. It was the oldest and commonest sacrifice, and represented submission to G-d's will. The Hebrew word for burnt offering is olah, from the root Ayin-Lamed-Hei, meaning ascension. It is the same root as the word aliyah, which is used to describe moving to Israel or ascending to the podium to say a blessing over the Torah. An olah is completely burnt on the outer altar; no part of it is eaten by anyone. Because the offering represents complete submission to G-d's will, the entire offering is given to G-d (i.e., it cannot be used after it is burnt). It expresses a desire to commune with G-d, and expiates sins incidentally in the process (because how can you commune with G-d if you are tainted with sins?). An olah could be made from cattle, sheep, goats, or even birds, depending on the offerer's means."​

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm​

According to the Jews for Judaism the slaughtering of a lamb was a renunciation of idolatry.

According to the Bible the death of a lamb expiates sin. In the case of the Passover Lamb it saved the firstborn from the death sentence which the LORD placed on all the firstborn living in Egypt (Ex.12:12).

"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed" (1 Cor.5:7).​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

On the "Jews for Judaism" website Rabbi Michael Skobac writes this:

"One wonders why the Greek Testament chose to type Jesus as a Paschal lamb rather than the sacrifice for the Day of Atonement. We know from Exodus 12 that the Passover sacrifice did not serve as an atonement for sins, it commemorates the exodus from Egypt. (Even when the lamb was slaughtered in Egypt and its blood smeared on the doorposts, it did not serve to atone for the sins of anyone. It was a sign for the angel of death to pass over Jewish homes during the plague of the first born. The only people in danger were first born males, the blood wasn’t a help to other people in the family, and didn’t serve as an atonement for the first born)." ​

http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/leviticus-1711/​

The Rabbi is right that the Paschal lamb did not serve as an atonement for sins. But the blood of the passover lamb served to save the firstborn (who represented the family) from the death sentence which went out against all of the firstborn in the land of Egypt:

"For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt" (Ex.12:12-13).​

They were redeemed in Egypt by the blood of the Passover lambs and brought out of Egypt "with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm" (Deut.26:8).

The Lord Jesus, who is the Christian's Passover, redeems all who believe in Him:

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Pet.1:18-19).​

Next, Rabbi Skobac says this:

"A more fitting prototype for Jesus would have been the Yom Kippur sacrifice, which was an atonement for the sins of all the people. It is interesting that according to Leviticus 16:10,21-22, the animal which effectuated the atonement for the sins of the nation was not killed, but sent live out into the desert. Again, the shedding of blood is not a sine qua non for atonement."​

I will go into more detail about what actually happened on the day of atonement later.

 

[beameup]

Egyptians despised sheep.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Egyptians despised sheep.

They despised sheep and they worshiped the lamb, as the Jews for Judaism say:

"...his was a tremendously risky act of defiance because the Egyptians worshiped the lamb (Exodus 8:22/8:26 in a non-Jewish Bible)."​

I wonder what Bible they are referring to when they speak of a "non-Jewish Bible"?

 

[beameup]

They despised sheep and they worshiped the lamb, as the Jews for Judaism say:

"...his was a tremendously risky act of defiance because the Egyptians worshiped the lamb (Exodus 8:22/8:26 in a non-Jewish Bible)."​

I wonder what Bible they are referring to when they speak of a "non-Jewish Bible"?

Jews for Judaism certainly despise the "lamb of God".

Egyptians didn't even want to be around sheep, which is why the Hebrews were "segregated" in Goshen (Avaris), but not all that far from Tanis. So, sacrificing a lamb in the presence of an Egyptian would be very offensive to the Egyptian. They did love their beef though.

Jews4Judaism are a bunch of liars and deceivers

 

[steko]

They despised sheep and they worshiped the lamb, as the Jews for Judaism say:

"...his was a tremendously risky act of defiance because the Egyptians worshiped the lamb (Exodus 8:22/8:26 in a non-Jewish Bible)."​

I wonder what Bible they are referring to when they speak of a "non-Jewish Bible"?

Maybe Bibles that are printed under the auspices of generally Christian publishers.

Any Bible that is not Jewish Publication Society(JPS) or Hebrew text, Bibles not containing the NT.

 

[Nick M]

Death will pass over you and your house hold when the lamb's blood covers you. Foreshadowing the cross.

 

[glorydaz]

Death will pass over you and your house hold when the lamb's blood is covers you. Foreshadowing the cross.

Yes, and the Jews putting the blood on their door posts was an act of faith. Grace (the blood) through faith saved them.

 

[marhig]

Death will pass over you and your house hold when the lamb's blood is covers you. Foreshadowing the cross.

Foreshadowing the blood of Christ which is his life, covering the doorposts of our hearts, do that the destroyer can't enter in.

 

[marhig]

Here is what the folks at "Jews for Judaism" say about the passover lambs:

"The actual meaning and significance of the Passover lamb is, in fact, a total repudiation of Christianity. Four days prior to the Exodus, the children of Israel were instructed to set aside a lamb that they would eat on the evening prior to leaving Egypt (Exodus 12:3-6). This was a tremendously risky act of defiance because the Egyptians worshiped the lamb (Exodus 8:22/8:26 in a non-Jewish Bible).

The slaughtering of the Paschal lamb was a dramatic renunciation of idolatry. It was a statement that the people inside those houses worshiped God alone. The blood on their doorposts was a brave protest against the prevailing beliefs and a forceful rejection of the worship of any created being. Our Passover today continues to serve as a rejection of the deification of any human being."​

http://jewsforjudaism.ca/jesus-not-passover-lamb/​

Let us look at what is said about a lamb in regard to the religion which the LORD gave to the children of Israel:

"Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. The one lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the other lamb thou shalt offer at even...This shall be a continual burnt offering throughout your generations at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there unto thee" (Ex.29;38,42).​

Here is what the Jews themselves say about the burnt offerings:

"Olah: Burnt Offering

Perhaps the best-known class of offerings is the burnt offering. It was the oldest and commonest sacrifice, and represented submission to G-d's will. The Hebrew word for burnt offering is olah, from the root Ayin-Lamed-Hei, meaning ascension. It is the same root as the word aliyah, which is used to describe moving to Israel or ascending to the podium to say a blessing over the Torah. An olah is completely burnt on the outer altar; no part of it is eaten by anyone. Because the offering represents complete submission to G-d's will, the entire offering is given to G-d (i.e., it cannot be used after it is burnt). It expresses a desire to commune with G-d, and expiates sins incidentally in the process (because how can you commune with G-d if you are tainted with sins?). An olah could be made from cattle, sheep, goats, or even birds, depending on the offerer's means."​

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm​

According to the Jews for Judaism the slaughtering of a lamb was a renunciation of idolatry.

According to the Bible the death of a lamb expiates sin. In the case of the Passover Lamb it saved the firstborn from the death sentence which the LORD placed on all the firstborn living in Egypt (Ex.12:12).

"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed" (1 Cor.5:7).​

That's exactly how I see the living sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he was the lamb who entered the wilderness, he was dead to self and dying daily, resisting Satan and he bore witness to the truth, he preached the gospel to save as many as would believe in him. Through faith by the grace of God.

Once we are born of God, we come out from among them, out from Egypt (the world) and this is all done through Jesus Christ. He sacrificed his whole life to bare witness to the truth, he came into this world of desolation (the wilderness) to preach the gospel and bring life to many. His words are Spirit and they are life! Christ Jesus brought them out of darkness and into the glorious light of God. Bringing them from death to life.

And once we are alive in God and sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are raised with Christ, then Satan can't touch us, he can't destroy us and make our hearts desolate because God won't let him in because we are covered in the blood of Christ and his life is in our hearts, being made manifest by the power of the Holy Spirit. Satan can try and tempt us. But if we keep our faith and deny him, a he can't get in because God will strengthen us. The only way he gets in, is if we look back, turn back to our old lives and fall and let him in.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

That's exactly how I see the living sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he was the lamb who entered the wilderness, he was dead to self and dying daily, resisting Satan and he bore witness to the truth, he preached the gospel to save as many as would believe in him. Through faith by the grace of God.

So are you saying that this verse speaks of a "living" sacrifice of the Lord Jesus?:

"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed" (1 Cor.5:7).​

 

[marhig]

So are you saying that this verse speaks of a "living" sacrifice of the Lord Jesus?:

"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed" (1 Cor.5:7).​

Did Jesus sin? Or did he sacrifice his whole life to do the will of God?

 

[jamie]

Once we are born of God

Once we are born of God we are able to come and go like the wind.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Did Jesus sin? Or did he sacrifice his whole life to do the will of God?

It was his death upon the Cross which was according to the will of the Father:

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight" (Col.1:21-22).​

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross" (Phil.2:8).​

Do you really think the word "death" in those verses are referring to a living sacrifice?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

On the "Jews for Judaism" website Rabbi Skobac says this:

"A more fitting prototype for Jesus would have been the Yom Kippur sacrifice, which was an atonement for the sins of all the people. It is interesting that according to Leviticus 16:10,21-22, the animal which effectuated the atonement for the sins of the nation was not killed, but sent live out into the desert. Again, the shedding of blood is not a sine qua non for atonement."​

Ada R. Habershon writes:

"On the Day of Atonement there were 'two goats': the one, God's lot which was killed, the blood being taken inside the vail ; and the other, the scape-goat that bore away the iniquity of Israel to the land not inhabited--the first speaking to us of God's requirements, the second of man's need" [emphasis added] (Habershon, Study of the Types [Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1993], p.22).​

Henry W. Soltau states that one aspect was in regard to satisfy the Lord, or as Habershon says, "God's requirement":

"It is important here to remark that the two goats were 'one' sin offering, and the apparent object of having 'two' was, to present two aspects of the same offering for sin. An atonement accomplished for the Lord to satisfy Him ; and this atonement made manifest to the people in the scapegoat sent into the wilderness" [emphasis added] (Henry W. Soltau, The Tabernacle; The Priesthood and the Offerings, [Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Classics, 1998], p.429).​

From what Rabbi Skobac says you would think that there was only one goat on the day of atonement, not two.

 

[daqq]

On the "Jews for Judaism" website Rabbi Skobac says this:

"A more fitting prototype for Jesus would have been the Yom Kippur sacrifice, which was an atonement for the sins of all the people. It is interesting that according to Leviticus 16:10,21-22, the animal which effectuated the atonement for the sins of the nation was not killed, but sent live out into the desert. Again, the shedding of blood is not a sine qua non for atonement."​

Ada R. Habershon writes:

"On the Day of Atonement there were 'two goats': the one, God's lot which was killed, the blood being taken inside the vail ; and the other, the scape-goat that bore away the iniquity of Israel to the land not inhabited--the first speaking to us of God's requirements, the second of man's need" [emphasis added] (Habershon, Study of the Types [Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1993], p.22).​

Henry W. Soltau states that one aspect was in regard to satisfy the Lord, or as Habershon says, "God's requirement":

"It is important here to remark that the two goats were 'one' sin offering, and the apparent object of having 'two' was, to present two aspects of the same offering for sin. An atonement accomplished for the Lord to satisfy Him ; and this atonement made manifest to the people in the scapegoat sent into the wilderness" [emphasis added] (Henry W. Soltau, The Tabernacle; The Priesthood and the Offerings, [Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Classics, 1998], p.429).​

From what Rabbi Skobac says you would think that there was only one goat on the day of atonement, not two.

They show that none of them know what they speak of because there were three goats during Yom Kippurim. The one that was supposed to be eaten by Aaron and his sons, but was not, is the third goat whose blood was not brought into the sanctuary for atonements. Neither the goat sent away into the desert was eaten, (obviously because it was not slain), nor was the goat which was slain eaten; for its blood was brought into the sanctuary to cleanse-atone the Holy Most Holy and the secondary Sanctuary:

Leviticus 9:16-19 KJV
16 And Moses diligently sought the goat of the sin offering, and, behold, it was burnt: and he was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, the sons of Aaron which were left alive, saying,
17 Wherefore have ye not eaten the sin offering in the holy place, seeing it is most holy, and God hath given it you to bear the iniquity of the congregation, to make atonement for them before the LORD?
18 Behold, the blood of it was not brought in within the holy place: ye should indeed have eaten it in the holy place, as I commanded.
19 And Aaron said unto Moses, Behold, this day have they offered their sin offering and their burnt offering before the LORD; and such things have befallen me: and if I had eaten the sin offering to day, should it have been accepted in the sight of the LORD?

And perhaps therefore this may be why the date of Yom Kippurim was allocated to the seventh month, (Lev 16:1-2, 29). The following passage contains the third goat for Yom Kippurim, which is also a sin offering, and it is specifically stated to be apart from the sin offering for atonements, (thus it is apart from the two goats of Leviticus 16 because the other is sent away into the desert), and it is likewise apart or separate from the twice-daily continual evening and morning offerings:

Numbers 29:7-11 KJV
7 And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein:
8 But ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD for a sweet savour; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year; they shall be unto you without blemish:
9 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals to a bullock, and two tenth deals to one ram,
10 A several tenth deal for one lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
11 One kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the sin offering of atonement, and [beside] the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering of it, and their drink offerings.

This we know is correct because this is the goat of the sin offering which Aaron and his sons were commanded to eat in the holy place, in Leviticus 9:16-19 quoted above, and yet they were not allowed to eat of any sin offering whose blood was brought into the sanctuary for atonements:

Leviticus 6:30 KJV
30 And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire.

Thus neither of the two goats from Leviticus 16 were eaten; for the one was sent away alive into the desert, and the blood of the other was brought into the sanctuary for atonements, (and thus it was burned in the fire and not eaten). The goat of Numbers 29:11 is the third goat and the sin offering which was eaten by the priests during Yom Kippurim.