Haley Barbour Legacy: Vote No on Life Amendment

[Jefferson]

Haley Barbour Legacy: Vote No on Life Amendment

This is the show from Wednesday November 9th, 2011.

SUMMARY:

* Haley Barbour is a Purist: And he makes the perfect the enemy of the good. (The anti-personhood pro-lifers are guilty of the very cliches that they use against the personhood movement.)

* Yes on 26 Got 42% of the Vote! Mississippi's personhood vote doubled the conventional wisdom that perhaps 20% of the public would support a total abortion ban! Of course here at BEL we were hoping for a victory, but this result brings the personhood movement further down the road toward ending child killing. Be glad that you won't be in Haley Barbour's shoes come Judgment Day. (Or will that be a barefoot event?) For Jesus especially loves children and He will not look kindly upon the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing mouthpiece for Planned Parenthood's Vote No on 26 abortion campaign. And forget Judgment Day for a moment, even regarding in the judgment of history, Imagine the "anti-slavery" governor who spoke against a plebiscite to outlaw the kidnapping of blacks for the slave trade. Pray for Barbour, because as of right now, this is his legacy before God and man.

* 6-Month's Later: Obama Supporting Libyan Tea Party: Now that we've ended our military operation in Libya, it's time to look back to the program that Doug McBurney and I did half-a-year ago on March 23 titled, Obama Supporting Libyan Tea Party about the use of America's military to support government protesters who seriously cling to their guns and religion, and I mean seriously. Indications that BEL correctly judged that it was unwise to aid this Islamic tea party are the three widely reported developments that:
1. The transitional authorities areenacting Sharia law.
2. Al Qaeda slogans are being chanted in the streets. And,
3. An Al Qaeda flag flies atop the courthouse in the nation's second-largest city.

Today's Resource:

Bob presents a three part video teaching series for parents on raising children to honor God.

 

[Granite]

http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/...ne_Through_Legislature_133579193.html?ref=193

While Barbour voted for it himself he correctly pointed out this wasn't a home-grown movement and that 26 had flaws.

 

[Jefferson]

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

We are now within striking distance. This is a lot better than the conventional wisdom that I've heard for decades that only 15 to 20 percent of the public would support a total ban on abortion. The "Yes on 26" vote in Mississippi received 42%. This result doubles the percentage that the conventional wisdom has told us that we can't try to stop abortion because only 15 to 20 percent of the public would support that. So that shows that all of the Gallup polls were false

 

[Granite]

That's some of the worst spin I can imagine, Jeff. Personhood amendments have been defeated by wide margins every time they've been proposed; talking about how badly you lost does not bode well.

This should, in a savvy movement, be cause for self-reflection and re-tooling, but I don't think that's very likely. The most conservative state in the union (or at least within the top five) defeated 26. This is, to put it mildly, food for thought.

 

[Frayed Knot]

That's some of the worst spin I can imagine, Jeff.

No kidding. If they can't even pull it off in Mississippi, the most backward state in the union, it's hopeless everywhere.

I did kind of hope that it would pass in MS though, just to see it struck down and therefore drive the tent stake through the head of the personhood movement. Now it's just left to keep simmering.

 

[ghost]

Now it's just left to keep simmering.

No doubt that the left will be simmering.

 

[Nick M]

Personhood amendments have been defeated by wide margins every time they've been proposed;

Huh. Bill Clinton got about 43% in 1992 and that was declared a mandate by the media.

It is good news, even in defeat. To have almost half is a big step in the right direction.

 

[Lighthouse]

No doubt that the left will be simmering.

Smoldering, even.

 

[Granite]

Huh. Bill Clinto got about 43% in 1992 and that was declared a mandate by the media.

It is good news, even in defeat. To have almost half is a big step in the right direction.

Completely different situation, circumstances, and scenario. The comparison doesn't work at all.

And the amendment didn't have "almost" half of state support, Nick. It lost by a wide margin.

I would expect this to be a wake up call for any other movement, but not this one. If the personhood movement keeps doing the same thing--and refuses to learn from its mistakes, as is obvious by now--it'll keep on getting defeated state by state. If this doesn't fly in Mississippi, it won't anywhere.

The amendment was so vague and so open ended it's almost as though it was designed to fail.

 

[Son of Jack]

Completely different situation, circumstances, and scenario. The comparison doesn't work at all.

And the amendment didn't have "almost" half of state support, Nick. It lost by a wide margin.

I would expect this to be a wake up call for any other movement, but not this one. If the personhood movement keeps doing the same thing--and refuses to learn from its mistakes, as is obvious by now--it'll keep on getting defeated state by state. If this doesn't fly in Mississippi, it won't anywhere.

The amendment was so vague and so open ended it's almost as though it was designed to fail.

Actually, the voting percentages in this case are a little deceiving. With initiatives in the state of Mississippi (and it may be this way everywhere), people who voted but chose not to vote on this issue counted as "no" votes, unless and until 40% of the total voting population actually votes on the issue. Well, that number only got to 39%, which means that a large number of the "no" votes were simply people who decided that they didn't know or didn't want to vote on the issue.

 

[Todah]

In every conceivable way this was a crushing defeat for personhood.
To say that 41% in Mississippi is a huge increase from the 29% vote in Colorado, is to project your hopes and beliefs over the reality of what real people, actually believe.

Real people, either really believe, that a human being, a person, is not being killed by an abortion.

Or, the ones who do believe it is a person, think that it is an individual woman's decision, to determine for herself, if she is going to end that life. This then puts "them" in the position of not being responsible for what someone else decides.

Haley Barbour, actually put the stamp on the way most people voted in a conservative "pro-life" State. 'I am not sure that I like the "exact" wording of this amendment, and I may, or may not, vote for it.'

In the current climate in America where most of its people, in their hearts believe that, there may or may not be a God; that God may or may not be the traditional God of the Bible and Christianity; that Christ may or may not be against abortion; that God, may or may not forgive Them for anything they do, if they simply ask Him to; therefore, that it may or may not be allowable to "judge" other people's actions, since they "all" may or may not, be forgiven anyway!

In that climate, to have a movement without any may, or may nots, is contradictory to the belief systems of real people.
There is a God. That God is Pro-life. He created us. It is a human being, in the womb. You have no right to end their life. is antithetical to all the "maybes" that real people life by, and by which, they justify any action that they so choose.

 

[Todah]

I applaud all the believers who worked, and prayed so hard to save the lives of innocent children, and worked for their Lord and Saviour.

To proclaim some hollow victory in the midst of a crushing defeat, panders to the desire to please men rather than God.

God is well pleased with all the efforts done on His behalf,for His creations, and in the name of Jesus.

God also sees the hearts of men, and for the most part, it is an extremely disgusting sight.

 

[Todah]

Haley Barbour, actually put the stamp, on the way most people voted, in pro-life Mississippi. 'I am not sure I like the "exact" wording of this amendment. and I may, or may not vote for it. He says he did, but most of the rest of the may or may not people voted "may not."

I would rather you be hot or cold, the lukewarm, I will spew out of my mouth.

God has just spewed the Catholic Church hierarchy in America, the Methodist Church, and National Pro- life upper echelon, out of his mouth.

I would rather suffer a crushing defeat being hot for God, than being spewed out by Him in victory, with man.

 

[Nick M]

Completely different situation, circumstances, and scenario. The comparison doesn't work at all.

Sure it does. Bubba and socialism got 43% of the vote. So did personhood this time.

A big improvement over 20%.

 

[Granite]

Sure it does. Bubba and socialism got 43% of the vote. So did personhood this time.

A big improvement over 20%.

So Ross Perot and the Colorado personhood movement are exactly the same based on their similar levels of support? With all due respect, Nick, but sometimes you don't appear to put any thought whatsoever into anything you say here.
Stop wasting time, all right? A public referendum and a presidential election are not nearly the same thing. At all. An election in 1992 and a vote by the people of Mississippi could not be more dissimilar. The comparison's foolish, idiotic, and ill-informed. So stop repeating yourself and making yourself look more foolish than usual. Thanks in advance.

The measure failed by a wide margin. If the personhood movement is serious about its agenda it will examine the reasons why, and not simply try the same formula again and go down in defeat. Again.

From all appearances, however, the personhood movement, and question 26, appeared designed to fail. Q26 was purposefully vague (or, rather, incompetently written), but I don't think the people behind it were quite that stupid. Nonetheless, the movement, the agenda, even the question, all seem more intended to stir controversy than get actual results.

I'm curious as to why.