The first of course.
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- Thread starter Gary K
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I never said no use of the mind is required. I said spiritual discernment comes from the HS which means our intellect is of little use in that context for no matter the intellect of the natural man he can't understand spiritual issues.
Was that a joke?
No. How else is anyone saved than by faith in Jesus?
Acts 4: 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Do you seriously believe that righteous Abel and Noah, and others like them, were saved because they put their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection? There isn't any way that you actually believe that.
Today, there isn't any other way but I'm talking about people who lived and died several centuries before anyone ever preached anything that even included the word "Jesus" (or its Hebrew equivalent), never mind anything about Him being the Son of God who died for sin and was raised from the dead.
Jesus Himself didn't preach anything to anyone about His death or resurrection and when He did mention it, no one understood what He was talking about unless He explicitly explained it to them and then He told them to keep their mouths shut about it which wasn't any problem because they didn't believe it! Jesus was hung on the cross and was dead in the grave, just as He had told them would happen and they still didn't get it to the point that some of them had to be shown hard physical proof before they'd believe He had risen from the dead!
Scripture, and NT scripture on top of that, tells us exactly that.
What scripture, specifically, tells us that Abel and Noah put their faith in something that hadn't happened yet and wouldn't happen for a literally a few millennia?
Because last I checked, such scripture does not exist, because it didn't happen.
The prophecies of the Messiah.
Book, chapter, verse.
There are way too many to list. If you don't know that you're not the Biblical scholar you think you are.
Start with one.
Book chapter and verse, please, or retract your claim as unsubstantiated.
I have never claimed to be a Biblical scholar.
Nor can I read your mind.
Substantiate your claim, please.
Book, chapter, verse.
This is very odd. It's as if you don't believe the prophecies concerning Jesus exist. I guess it's just something to derail the thread. I don't think I'll go along with you.
What's odd is you not being willing to back up your claims.
How in the world did you arrive at that conclusion?
Clete asked you a question, you answered with something ridiculous, and I challenged you to back up your claim with evidence, and now you refuse to provide the requested evidence.
How does that translate to "my opponent must not believe something"?
You're being a troll, Gary.
You're getting really close to being banned for it.
Shape up.
Now, care to provide evidence to back up your claim that "Abel and Noah were saved because they put their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection"?
And I don't mean just referring to a group of prophecies, I want book, chapter, and verse where it says what you claim they say.
So you'll ban me for not answering you. I guess you'll just have to ban me for believing differently than you and Clete.
No, I'll ban you for being a troll who refuses to engage appropriately on a forum meant for discussion.
You've been told repeatedly that you can believe whatever you want (within reason) and still be allowed to post here.
Refusing to engage rationally and then complaining when people don't agree with you is the epitome of childishness, and will eventually get you banned, because it's NOT conducive to civil discussion.
I just proved that it doesn't. You ignored it.
As, of course, you must in order to maintain your mindless belief system.
What he doesn't believe is that you have any ability whatsoever to biblically establish even the simplest point of your own doctrine.
This has all streamed directly from a direct question based on a direct quote of your own post in this thread after you basically begged us all to engage you here. The only thing getting derailed is your literally mindless doctrine.
No one has said that the prophecies don't exist. What I've said is that I want you to post the scripture you think substantiates your claim that people such as Abel and Noah "were saved because they put their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection," because "last I checked, such scripture does not exist, because it didn't happen."