Forced Vaccination is Wrong

1PeaceMaker

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Can we all agree on that?

http://www.aapsonline.org/testimony/mandvac.htm

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc.
A Voice for Private Physicians Since 1943
Omnia pro aegroto


FACT SHEET ON MANDATORY VACCINES

•AAPS does not oppose vaccines. AAPS has never taken an anti-vaccine position, although opponents have tried to paint that picture. AAPS has only attempted to halt government or school districts from blanket vaccine mandates that violate parental informed consent.

•42 states have mandatory vaccine policies, and many children are required 22 shots by first grade.

•According to government statistics, children under the age of 14 are three times more likely to suffer adverse effects -- including death -- following the hepatitis B vaccine than to catch the disease itself.

•The Centers for Disease Control admits that the reported number of adverse effects of vaccines is probably only 10% of actual adverse effects.

•The Physician's Desk Reference cites adverse reactions to the hepatitis B in less than 1 percent. However, if more than 70 million American children receive the vaccine, that means more than 700,000 children are likely to suffer adverse reactions.

•Children are a very low risk group for hepatitis B. Primary risk factors are dependent on lifestyle, i.e. multiple sex partners, drug abuse or an occupation with exposure to blood.

•Rampant conflicts of interest in the approval process has been the subject of several Congressional hearings, and a recent Congressional report concluded that the pharmaceutical industry has indeed exerted undue influence on mandatory vaccine legislation toward its own financial interests.

•The vaccine approval process has also been contaminated by flawed or incomplete clinical trials, and government officials have chosen to ignore negative results. For example, the CDC was forced to withdraw its recommendation of the rotavirus vaccine within one year of approval. Yet public documents obtained by AAPS show that the CDC was aware of alarmingly high intussuception rates months before the vaccine was approved and recommended.

•Mandatory vaccines violate the medical ethic of informed consent. A case could also be made that mandates for vaccines by school districts and legislatures is the de facto practice of medicine without a license.

•The CDC's own "Guide to Contraindications to Childhood Vaccination" warns that when assessing children's common symptoms, "if any one of them is a contraindication, DO NOT VACCINATE" [caps added]. And yet, under legislated mandates, the vaccines are still required.
 

Tinark

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Ok, but if a person fails to vaccinate their child, and that child catches a disease for which there is a vaccine and then spreads it to another person, the parent should be charged with assault and spend some time in jail. If that person dies, they should be charged with manslaughter. They should also be charged with child abuse.
 

elohiym

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Ok, but if a person fails to vaccinate their child, and that child catches a disease and then spreads it to another person, the parent should be charged with assault and thrown in prison. They should also be charged with child abuse.

If a person vaccinates their child, and that child catches a disease and then spreads it to another person, should the parent be charged with assault and thrown in prison?
 

1PeaceMaker

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Ok, but if a person fails to vaccinate their child, and that child catches a disease and then spreads it to another person, the parent should be charged with assault and thrown in prison. They should also be charged with child abuse.

So basically, if the parent doesn't violate their conscience by giving their child a vaccine that is believed by the parent to be unsafe, they can be prosecuted in your mind.

That's like saying if you don't endanger your child's health, you must go to jail. I'd go to jail first, buddy.

Forcing immorality on a parent in the guise of protecting others is pretty low.

And if your little scenario played out, you'd have to prove that vaccinated people don't catch and spread measles.

In fact, any person who goes shopping with the sniffles should be arrested and thrown in prison, right?
 

CabinetMaker

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If a person vaccinates their child, and that child catches a disease and then spreads it to another person, should the parent be charged with assault and thrown in prison?
No, because the parent exercised due diligence.
 

CabinetMaker

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So basically, if the parent doesn't violate their conscience by giving their child a vaccine that is believed by the parent to be unsafe, they can be prosecuted in your mind.

That's like saying if you don't endanger your child's health, you must go to jail. I'd go to jail first, buddy.

Forcing immorality on a parent in the guise of protecting others is pretty low.

And if your little scenario played out, you'd have to prove that vaccinated people don't catch and spread measles.

In fact, any person who goes shopping with the sniffles should be arrested and thrown in prison, right?
What, precisely, is immoral about vaccinations?
 

Granite

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Sorry, not a fan of typhoid or polio or measles or the rest. If you want you and yours to run the risk of dying horribly, go ahead and knock yourself out. Just stay home.
 

1PeaceMaker

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You'd also have to write a law that made purposefully exposing the public to any contagion you may have contacted is a felony, an assault. Maybe even an act of biological terrorism.
 

Granite

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Some people would literally rather themselves or their children be dead than be told what's actually, demonstrably what's best for them.
 

Granite

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What is immoral about you forcing vaccination?

That you would make a parent consent to doing something they believe endangers the health and welfare of their child.

Your misguided, reckless, and inane beliefs do not give you the right to endanger the public.
 

elohiym

Well-known member
No, because the parent exercised due diligence.

No, the parent intentionally infected their child with a vaccine-strain of measles and should have known it could mutate and become virulent. Regarding the non-vaccinated parent's obligations, you have not proven a duty to vaccinate.
 

1PeaceMaker

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Your misguided, reckless, and inane beliefs do not give you the right to endanger the public.

In other words, you would force a parent act in a way that they believe endangers their child, because otherwise you might think they endanger others just by being as healthy as they can naturally be and not vaccinating?
 

CabinetMaker

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What is immoral about you forcing vaccination?
Nothing immoral about it from a strictly Biblical point of view. IF you disagree, by all means, show us where the Bible indicates it is immoral.

That you would make a parent consent to doing something they believe endangers the health and welfare of their child.
You are restating the question in an attempt to avoid answering it. Please respond to what you actually said by explaining precisely what is immoral about vaccinations.
 

Jose Fly

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I don't agree with mandatory vaccination. However, I also don't believe that if you don't vaccinate your child, you should be immune (see what I did there) from the consequences of your decision.

For example, if you choose not to vaccinate your child, then your child cannot attend public school. You must go find a private school that will accept unvaccinated kids.
 

CabinetMaker

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Oh, and you ALSO think that non-vaccinated people should be thrown in prison, if they happen to catch it from someone, perhaps, who was vaccinated and spread it without knowing?

This is novel.
Law and Order did an episode about exactly this. The DA charged a family with assault because they didn't vaccinate their child and it directly caused the death of a second child. Interesting episode.

No, I do not generally support sending people to jail over vaccinations. There are condition where I would support forced vaccination/treatment. Typhoid comes to mind.
 

1PeaceMaker

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No, the parent intentionally infected their child with a vaccine-strain of measles and should have known it could mutate and become virulent.

But if they endanger society through vaccination it's just dandy. It's okay if they infect unvaccinated people with their little virus.

I guess these guys should be thrown in prison for terrorism the next time they knowingly go to work, shopping or whatever with a sniffle, knowing what vulnerable people are in their communities who might catch it and get sick and die.
 
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