Florida pro-lifers introduce bill banning abortions

[drbrumley]

On babies with heartbeats. Gov. says he’ll sign.

TALLAHASSEE, Florida, January 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Joining their counterparts in several other states who have done so over the past several months, Republicans in Florida introduced legislation last week to ban abortion upon detection of a fetal heartbeat.

 

[ok doser]

it's a start :thumb:

 

[JudgeRightly]

On babies with heartbeats. Gov. says he’ll sign.

TALLAHASSEE, Florida, January 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Joining their counterparts in several other states who have done so over the past several months, Republicans in Florida introduced legislation last week to ban abortion upon detection of a fetal heartbeat.

This ban will not save a single baby's life.

Life begins at conception, not when the heart starts to beat.

:down:

"Make sure you can't hear a heartbeat, and then you can kill the baby."

 

[JudgeRightly]

it's a start :thumb:

It's another concession on the part of the pro-lifers.

Abortion should be banned completely.

We shouldn't be introducing laws that say, "... and then you can kill the baby," or that star with, "you can kill the baby if..."

This is just another one of those in a long line of compromises.

 

[ok doser]

It's another concession on the part of the pro-lifers.

Abortion should be banned completely.

We shouldn't be introducing laws that say, "... and then you can kill the baby," or that star with, "you can kill the baby if..."

This is just another one of those in a long line of compromises.

i thought about that and saw a difference between this and the other recent law banning (proposing banning?) partial dismemberment - in this case, if it passes, there's no reason to stop at a heartbeat as a defining characteristic of life worth protecting

so i chose to see it as a step in the right direction

 

[JudgeRightly]

i thought about that and saw a difference between this and the other recent law banning (proposing banning?) partial dismemberment - in this case, if it passes, there's no reason to stop at a heartbeat as a defining characteristic of life worth protecting

so i chose to see it as a step in the right direction

It's no better than the "partial-birth abortion ban" that has saved not a single baby since it was put into effect.

When it comes to this issue, it's all or nothing, because it's murder.

You don't regulate murder, you make it illegal in ALL cases.

This is a ban on some abortions, not on all. Meaning there will still be babies murdered, which is entirely unacceptable.

 

[JudgeRightly]

i thought about that and saw a difference between this and the other recent law banning (proposing banning?) partial dismemberment - in this case, if it passes, there's no reason to stop at a heartbeat as a defining characteristic of life worth protecting

so i chose to see it as a step in the right direction

I recommend you listen to today's show on kgov.com. Bob even mentions the idea of banning after a heartbeat is detected.

 

[ok doser]

I recommend you listen to today's show on kgov.com. Bob even mentions the idea of banning after a heartbeat is detected.

i'll try to give it a listen - trying to button the place up before we go into the deepfreeze - they're forecasting -13 sunday night

 

[JudgeRightly]

i'll try to give it a listen - trying to button the place up before we go into the deepfreeze - they're forecasting -13 sunday night

Sounds like my kind of weather :denver:

 

[Jacob]

Certainly a heart beat does not need to be detected to know that there is a life?! Life begins at or before conception.

 

[ok doser]

Certainly a heart beat does not need to be detected to know that there is a life?! Life begins at or before conception.

"at", yes

"before"? :freak:

 

[ok doser]

On babies with heartbeats. Gov. says he’ll sign.

TALLAHASSEE, Florida, January 14, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Joining their counterparts in several other states who have done so over the past several months, Republicans in Florida introduced legislation last week to ban abortion upon detection of a fetal heartbeat.

if its signed into law, it will be appealed by the left

with luck, it will eventually appear before a trump SCOTUS

and hopefully, they'll act boldly

i'm praying

 

[Jacob]

"at", yes

"before"? :freak:

Because life begins at conception, but there had to be life before that. For example, a sperm is a life. This is before conception.

 

[ok doser]

ok, i see



sperm cells, egg cells - they all carry the same genetic code as their "owners" - same as skin cells and intestinal lining


it is at the moment of conception that a new unique life comes into being for the first time

 

[Kit the Coyote]

ok, i see



sperm cells, egg cells - they all carry the same genetic code as their "owners" - same as skin cells and intestinal lining


it is at the moment of conception that a new unique life comes into being for the first time

Not disagreeing more being the trickster but I would point out that sperm and egg cells only carry part of the parent's DNA, just like the fertilized egg carries part of both parents DNA.

 

[ok doser]

Not disagreeing more being the trickster but I would point out that sperm and egg cells only carry part of the parent's DNA, just like the fertilized egg carries part of both parents DNA.

you're right, but i didn't want to needlessly complicate it

 

[Jacob]

ok, i see



sperm cells, egg cells - they all carry the same genetic code as their "owners" - same as skin cells and intestinal lining


it is at the moment of conception that a new unique life comes into being for the first time

The egg as well and yes a unique life. My understanding is that the sperm moves to the egg not the egg to the sperm. Would it therefore be seen as living in a different way from the sperm?