Are you eternally secure or can you loose your salvation?
Eternal Security
- Thread starter Bright Raven
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Of course you can lose your relationship with God.
If God abrogated his covenant with the nation of Israel for disobedience why would he hesitate to abrogate his relationship with a sinner?
Nang
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One justified by the power of Christ's blood and His Holy Spirit, is permanently forgiven his sins and will surely be given everlasting life.
Salvation cannot be lost, because it is God who keeps His saints faithful. God's spiritual children will persevere unto the final resurrection, because God preserves them unto life, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14
theophilus
Well-known member
You cannot lose your salvation:
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.
Nang
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God does not abrogate His covenant promises.
Sinners fail to keep the original Covenant of Works . . they abrogate; not God. (Romans 3:9-21)
All men by nature, are covenant-breakers.
That is why the saving Covenant of Grace (given to God's Elect people) was performed and is kept by Jesus Christ Himself.
How can you be anxious for nothing (Philippians 4:16) if your salvation is not settled?
turbosixx
New member
Which soil/s is the saved person/s?
Luke 8:5 "The sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell beside the road, and it was trampled under foot and the birds of the air ate it up. 6 Other seed fell on rocky soil, and as soon as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 Other seed fell among the thorns; and the thorns grew up with it and choked it out. 8 Other seed fell into the good soil, and grew up, and produced a crop a hundred times as great."
Nang
TOL Subscriber
It is much more important to study the "seed" than the soils . . .
turbosixx
New member
I don't disagree, but we can learn from the soils. I believe that's why Jesus tells us this parable along with others. I believe it's pertinent to the poll question.
Nang
TOL Subscriber
How so?
turbosixx
New member
In the parable of the sower, which one do you believed is saved? In the parable of the talents, why was the one talent man cast into outer darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth?
Philippians 4:16 ?
Oops, that's Philippians 4:6. How can you be unsure of your salvation and not be anxious?
I don't think I would say shut up but try to show them their error.
musterion
Well-known member
Paul did.
Titus 1:11
The "shut up" principle applies very well to those who deny the complete efficacy of the Cross for all trespasses, and the justification of God from all things. Everyone who voted "yes" denies both. They can either repent and shut up NOW, or God will shut them up later in the Lake of Fire for blaspheming Father and Son.
Paul was speaking of those of the circumcision.
Titus 1:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)
The Elders’ Task
10 For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain.
If you forsake Him, He will forsake you. 'And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.' 1 Chronicles 15:2
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If you are a Christian you are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. Show me where in scripture how you become unsealed.
2 Chronicles 15:2 2 'And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.' Showing you if you leave His will He will leave you. Point blank period. Same God then same God now.
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