Elder

[Jacob]

eld·er1
ˈeldər/Submit
adjective
1.
(of one or more out of a group of related or otherwise associated people) of a greater age.
"my elder daughter"
synonyms: older, senior, big
"his elder brother"
noun
1.
a person of greater age than someone specified.
"schoolchildren were no less fascinated than their elders"

 

[Squeaky]

TO THINK OF YOUR ELDERS IN THE WORD-YOU HAVE ELDERS
1 Pet 5:1-7
1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed:
2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
1 Pet 4:15
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people's matters.
1Thes 4:11
11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you,
Rom 12:18
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
II Th 1:6
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Rom 13:1
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
II Th 1:7-8
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Tim 5:19
19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.
Gal 3:12
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Rom 14:23
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Matt 7:1-5
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
1Thes 5:12-13
12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
1Thes 5:16-23
16 Rejoice always,
17 pray without ceasing,
18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit.
20 Do not despise prophecies.
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 10:36-39
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 "For yet a little while, and He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Heb 12:1-2
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Gal 5:24-26
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Heb 13:7
7 Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.
Gal 6:16
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
Phil 3:15-17
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
Col 3:15
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.
1 Tim 5:17
17 Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.
(NKJ)

xxx If you dont know you have elders your still full of pride. If you dont know your elders, your deceived. Whether you like it or not you have elders over you. If you dont give them due respect God will defend them. Because God placed them there. Remember this you cant learn if your trying to teach. And if your trying to teach an elder or get your point across you will not learn what the elder is trying to teach you.
An Elder is anyone who is further along in their walk than you are. Those in the milk defend their theology. And theology is spiritual theory. And theory is guessing. Those in the meat defend their verses. Those in the revelations of Jesus Christ defend their revelations.


1 Tim 5:1

1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
(KJV)

 

[Jacob]

TO THINK OF YOUR ELDERS IN THE WORD-YOU HAVE ELDERS
1 Pet 5:1-7
1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed:
2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.
5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
1 Pet 4:15
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people's matters.
1Thes 4:11
11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you,
Rom 12:18
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
II Th 1:6
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
Rom 12:19-21
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord.
20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Rom 13:1
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
II Th 1:7-8
7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Tim 5:19
19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.
Gal 3:12
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
Rom 14:23
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Matt 7:1-5
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.
Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
1Thes 5:12-13
12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
1Thes 5:16-23
16 Rejoice always,
17 pray without ceasing,
18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit.
20 Do not despise prophecies.
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 10:36-39
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 "For yet a little while, and He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Heb 12:1-2
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Gal 5:24-26
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Heb 13:7
7 Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.
Gal 6:16
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
Phil 3:15-17
15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.
16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
Col 3:15
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.
1 Tim 5:17
17 Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and doctrine.
(NKJ)

xxx If you dont know you have elders your still full of pride. If you dont know your elders, your deceived. Whether you like it or not you have elders over you. If you dont give them due respect God will defend them. Because God placed them there. Remember this you cant learn if your trying to teach. And if your trying to teach an elder or get your point across you will not learn what the elder is trying to teach you.
An Elder is anyone who is further along in their walk than you are. Those in the milk defend their theology. And theology is spiritual theory. And theory is guessing. Those in the meat defend their verses. Those in the revelations of Jesus Christ defend their revelations.


1 Tim 5:1

1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
(KJV)

Have you ever heard of an overseer? What is an overseer?

 

[Bradley D]

In the church an elder is a term of rank or office. A leader of the assembly.

 

[Bradley D]

Have you ever heard of an overseer? What is an overseer?

Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively) -- bishop, overseer.

 

[Jacob]

In the church an elder is a term of rank or office. A leader of the assembly.

Interesting.

Have you heard about The Elders of Israel?

A Biblical Elder? Maybe not.
Biblical Eldership? Maybe not.
As a youth an elder might be seen as someone who is older than you, like a grandpa or grandfather, though maybe not of your family. 80 years old?
What is an elder and what is an overseer? A bishop, a pastor, a shepherd. What about a deacon? Maybe not the way we see it or the structure we see, church and all.

In a synagogue there might be 10 elders 3 of which are pastors. I don't know if I am getting this right. Would 1 be an overseer?

I remember the website messianic.ws

 

[Jacob]

Here it is, though I believe that God's name is Yahveh not Yahweh.

http://messianic.ws/synagogue.htm

3 Judges
(3 Pastors)

Messenger / Angel of the Church (Heb. Sheliach Tzibbur; Gr.Angeloi tes Ekklesias)

Overseer (Heb. Chazan; Gr. Episkopos)

Apostle – Eph 4:11 (Gr. Apostolos – sent-out-one)



The Messenger was the officer who took messages from the Holy Temple to the congregation (See Revelation 2:1,8,12,18, 3:1,7,14), including Sabbath Scripture readings, and halachic rulings from the Sanhedrin (Supreme Court) to the Synagogue judges This office only fully functioned when there was a Temple in Jerusalem (for about 1,000 years). He was called an overseer (Acts 20:28; Titus 1:7), because watched over the shoulder of the message readers on Sabbath, correcting any misreading.



Qualifications:
Mastery of Hebrew language and Torah cantillation (trup), hence called a Cantor (Hazzan).
Mastery of Hebrew blessings (required for readings), hence called Master of Prayer (Baal Tefilah). Other qualifications are found in Shulhan Arukh and 1 Timothy 3:1-10.



Yeshua was the antitype of the Temple, and He chose twelve apostles to take His messages to the congregations; to qualify as apostles, they had to be witnesses in the flesh (Acts 1:21-22); the final twelve will sit in judgment of Israel (Matt 19:28), and their names will be on the twelve foundations of the Holy City (Rev 21:14). These Apostles were sent-out-ones from the Living Temple on earth.



Interpreter (Heb. Targuman; Gr. Diemeneutes)

Prophet – Eph 4:11 (Gr. Prophetes)



This officer interpreted the Hebrew Scriptures and messages from the Angel of the Church (above) into the languages of the congregants – the language of angels to the languages of men. He also interpreted blessings – which were always recited first in “prayer language” – Hebrew.



A prophet is one who “forthtells” – interprets, expounds, or shows application of Torah. This synagogue office is not the same as an anointed “Prophet of Jerusalem,” such as Elijah.



Three Judges (Elohim of Beit Din)

Evangelists – Eph 4:11 (Gr. Euangelistes)



There was a “bench of three” judges – called the Beit Din / house of judgment. These elohim / judges made halachic rulings, and thus were referred to as rulers – not in the sense of lords. They made judgment rulings concerning how people should walk (halach) to fulfill Torah, explaining how Torah applied to their unique situations. They also judged smaller civil and criminal matters (See 1 Cor 5:12-6:5, Mark 5:22). Higher matters went before a district court of 21, and the highest matters before the Sanhedrin – the court of 71 (Deut 17:8).



These were also called evangelists, since they brought the good news of God’s Torah way to the people. Yeshua is the Living Torah – the Way.



Three Pastors or Deacons (Heb. Parnasin)

Pastors – Eph 4:11(Gr. Poimen)



These were not the preachers or controllers of the church, but literally “fed the sheep”. In Scripture, no one is ever called “the pastor of a church.” The term is always plural. Two collected alms and one made determinations of who was really needy to receive them. Giving to the needy in this manner is preferred, so that donor and recipient are anonymous, saving the recipient embarrassment. It also eases the donor’s burden of judging true need.



Schoolmaster and Assistant Schoolmaster

Teachers – Eph 4:11 (Gr. Didaskalos)



The primary responsibility, in Temple times, was to train boys to be responsible Torah observant adults – i.e., for bar mitzvah. The boys were expected to grow up to be the spiritual leaders of their families.



When a man fails in his family spiritual obligations, it is certainly good for a woman to make up for it.

 

[Bradley D]

The word elder has different meanings. As for the church it is a person respected for their knowledge of the word, preach, and ability to lead/give advise.

 

[Jacob]

The word elder has different meanings. As for the church it is a person respected for their knowledge of the word, preach, and ability to lead/give advise.

Revi'i, Third Month Second Day
Laylah Night Omer 46

Perhaps this rather needs to be understood in the context of Israel rather than in teachings about the church, be it that a person perceives them to be different.

 

[patrick jane]

Revi'i, Third Month Second Day
Laylah Night Omer 46

Perhaps this rather needs to be understood in the context of Israel rather than in teachings about the church, be it that a person perceives them to be different.

I am your elder.

 

[Jacob]

I am your elder.

It is Revi'i, the Third Month the Second Day, Yom (Day), Omer 46.

Who are you? Why do you say this? Do you believe that what you are saying is true? If so, why do you believe it? It is difficult to change the opinion of someone else, but it may happen that a person communicates to someone else that they are their elder for whatever reason good or bad right or wrong.