Doctrines and Beliefs that Will "Cook Your Goose" in the Judgment

Robert Pate

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The term "cook your goose" goes back many centuries and basically means that you have done something or believe something that is going to bring trouble on yourself, or is going to "cook your goose".

The Bible teaches that there are doctrines and beliefs about God and his Son Jesus Christ that will either save you and justify you, or will damn you to hell. In the Old Testament era they were saved and justified by faith in God's promise of a savior.

"Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness" Romans 4:3.

Things have not changed. We are still justified by faith in God's promise of a savior. Now that the savior has arrived we look back to when he was here on the earth. The Old Testament saints looked forward to the fulfillment of God's promise of a savior. All are justified by faith.

Here are some of the doctrines and beliefs that will "cook your goose" in the judgment.

1. The belief that God imposes salvation on some and damns the rest to hell.

This Calvinist doctrine makes God unjust. You will not be saved if you believe that God is unjust. To believe this doctrine is to believe that God is a sinner. This doctrine means that God is NOT holy, just and righteous as he claims to be, but means that he is divisive and cannot be trusted.

2. The belief that Jesus was just a man.

Jesus was God's Son before the foundation of the world, Colossians 1:15-17. Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30. If Jesus was just a man that means that he is a sinner just like us. Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves. God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man. 1. A life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. 2. A perfect atonement for man's sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Both of these requirements have been met in Jesus Christ.

3. The belief that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world.

This is another Calvinist belief that will "cook your goose" in the judgment. If Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world then Jesus is NOT Lord. If you believe that Jesus is NOT Lord you will die in your sins, John 8:24. It is imperative that one believes that Jesus is Lord if they are to be saved.

4. The belief that you must participate in your own salvation by works or obedience to the law.

Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves. The reason that the road to hell is broad is because "Many there be that go that way" Matthew 7:13. People want to believe what they want to believe and do what they want to do. I have had much more success witnessing to people that don't have a religion than those that do. Those that think that they can save themselves by their works and obedience to the law will be in the "Lord, Lord, didn't we" group, Matthew 7:21-23.

5. The belief that there will not be a judgment of sins, nor a hell.

This is pretty much in the same category as atheism. To believe this is to believe that there is no God. If there is no God, then how can there be a judgment and a hell? It is called systematic unbelief. If you believe that there will not be a judgment or a hell, then let us live like the devil and who needs Jesus Christ. Much of today's theology is designed to eliminate ones need for Jesus Christ.

6. The belief that there is no God.

I don't believe that there are atheist that claim that there is no God. What they are, are God haters. To say that there is no God is the same as denying your own existence. You can no more deny the existence of God, than you can deny your own existence. Every heart beat and every breath of air comes from God. "The fool has said in his heart there is no God". To deny the existence of God and his Son Jesus Christ will "cook your goose" in the judgment.

7. No faith in God or his Son Jesus Christ.

There are many people that believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ, but they are not saved. They have head knowledge of God and Jesus Christ, but they have never been born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. To be born again means that you are a lost sinner that needs to be saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus Christ. "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. If you don't call on him to save you, he may not know who you are in the judgment and you will hear those dreadful words, "Depart from me, I never knew you" Matthew 7:23.
 

Robert Pate

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Banned
By your words you will be justified or condemned in the judgment, Matthew 12:37.

In the judgment many will say... "Lord, Lord, didn't I" Matthew 7:21-23.

This is a group of people that thought salvation was about them. Their works, their obedience, their religion.
 

beloved57

Well-known member
The term "cook your goose" goes back many centuries and basically means that you have done something or believe something that is going to bring trouble on yourself, or is going to "cook your goose".

The Bible teaches that there are doctrines and beliefs about God and his Son Jesus Christ that will either save you and justify you, or will damn you to hell. In the Old Testament era they were saved and justified by faith in God's promise of a savior.

"Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness" Romans 4:3.

Things have not changed. We are still justified by faith in God's promise of a savior. Now that the savior has arrived we look back to when he was here on the earth. The Old Testament saints looked forward to the fulfillment of God's promise of a savior. All are justified by faith.

Here are some of the doctrines and beliefs that will "cook your goose" in the judgment.

1. The belief that God imposes salvation on some and damns the rest to hell.

This Calvinist doctrine makes God unjust. You will not be saved if you believe that God is unjust. To believe this doctrine is to believe that God is a sinner. This doctrine means that God is NOT holy, just and righteous as he claims to be, but means that he is divisive and cannot be trusted.

2. The belief that Jesus was just a man.

Jesus was God's Son before the foundation of the world, Colossians 1:15-17. Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30. If Jesus was just a man that means that he is a sinner just like us. Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves. God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man. 1. A life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. 2. A perfect atonement for man's sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Both of these requirements have been met in Jesus Christ.

3. The belief that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world.

This is another Calvinist belief that will "cook your goose" in the judgment. If Jesus did not atone for the sins of the whole world then Jesus is NOT Lord. If you believe that Jesus is NOT Lord you will die in your sins, John 8:24. It is imperative that one believes that Jesus is Lord if they are to be saved.

4. The belief that you must participate in your own salvation by works or obedience to the law.

Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves. The reason that the road to hell is broad is because "Many there be that go that way" Matthew 7:13. People want to believe what they want to believe and do what they want to do. I have had much more success witnessing to people that don't have a religion than those that do. Those that think that they can save themselves by their works and obedience to the law will be in the "Lord, Lord, didn't we" group, Matthew 7:21-23.

5. The belief that there will not be a judgment of sins, nor a hell.

This is pretty much in the same category as atheism. To believe this is to believe that there is no God. If there is no God, then how can there be a judgment and a hell? It is called systematic unbelief. If you believe that there will not be a judgment or a hell, then let us live like the devil and who needs Jesus Christ. Much of today's theology is designed to eliminate ones need for Jesus Christ.

6. The belief that there is no God.

I don't believe that there are atheist that claim that there is no God. What they are, are God haters. To say that there is no God is the same as denying your own existence. You can no more deny the existence of God, than you can deny your own existence. Every heart beat and every breath of air comes from God. "The fool has said in his heart there is no God". To deny the existence of God and his Son Jesus Christ will "cook your goose" in the judgment.

7. No faith in God or his Son Jesus Christ.

There are many people that believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ, but they are not saved. They have head knowledge of God and Jesus Christ, but they have never been born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. To be born again means that you are a lost sinner that needs to be saved by the doing and the dying of Jesus Christ. "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. If you don't call on him to save you, he may not know who you are in the judgment and you will hear those dreadful words, "Depart from me, I never knew you" Matthew 7:23.

You deny the Saving power of Christ blood, teaching that sinners Christ died for are still lost!
 

beloved57

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By your words you will be justified or condemned in the judgment, Matthew 12:37.

In the judgment many will say... "Lord, Lord, didn't I" Matthew 7:21-23.

This is a group of people that thought salvation was about them. Their works, their obedience, their religion.

You teach that salvation is by mans work. You teach that sinners Christ died for are still lost!
 

jamie

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"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" Romans 6:23.

Spiritual death, which is eternal separation from God.

OK, for sin we earn death. How is that debt satisfied?
 

jamie

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The Father made Jesus to be sin for us. Who is us?

Or are you claiming everyone one in the world is us?
 

Robert Pate

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Banned
The Father made Jesus to be sin for us. Who is us?

Or are you claiming everyone one in the world is us?

Of course. Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, but not everyone wants it, Hebrews 2:9.

It is God's great free gift for everyone, Ephesians 2:8.
 

Nanja

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Of course. Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, but not everyone wants it, Hebrews 2:9.

It is God's great free gift for everyone, Ephesians 2:8.


That's a lie!

God does all things according to His Will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou Dan. 4:35?

And it is God's Will to have Created some to be Vessels of Honour, and others to be vessels of dishonour Rom. 9:22-23!

Some to be saved from His Wrath, yet other to remain forever under His Wrath!

Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.


You see, Pate, Some of humanity was Saved by the Blood of Christ from the Wrath of God Rom. 9:23 [Christ's Sheep John 10:11,15; His Church Eph. 5:25], yet others were not: The Vessels of Wrath were prepared to be destroyed before they were ever born into this world. The goats were predestined to hell Mat. 25:41.

So now, you either believe the Truth of scripture, or you don't!

2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 

Robert Pate

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Banned
That's a lie!

God does all things according to His Will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou Dan. 4:35?

And it is God's Will to have Created some to be Vessels of Honour, and others to be vessels of dishonour Rom. 9:22-23!

Some to be saved from His Wrath, yet other to remain forever under His Wrath!

Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.


You see, Pate, Some of humanity was Saved by the Blood of Christ from the Wrath of God Rom. 9:23 [Christ's Sheep John 10:11,15; His Church Eph. 5:25], yet others were not: The Vessels of Wrath were prepared to be destroyed before they were ever born into this world. The goats were predestined to hell Mat. 25:41.

So now, you either believe the Truth of scripture, or you don't!

2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


You are still misinterpreting Romans 9:22. It plainly says, "WHAT IF" It does not say that is what God does. You and B57 have a wrong view of the nature and character of God.

The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ is hid from you. If you believed the Gospel you would not need Calvinism. You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.
 

Nanja

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You are still misinterpreting Romans 9:22. It plainly says, "WHAT IF" It does not say that is what God does. You and B57 have a wrong view of the nature and character of God.

The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ is hid from you. If you believed the Gospel you would not need Calvinism. You are in denial of the Gospel and justification by faith.



False teachers such as yourself reject the Sovereignty of God over all His Creation, despising the True God and His Salvation exclusively by His Electing Grace.

Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The remnant according to Election of Grace Rom. 11:5.


And others, objects of His Wrath God designated to be condemned / cursed; predestined to hell, which shall be punished with everlasting destruction!

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.


God has the right to make His creatures for whatever Purpose He Chooses, that's the meaning of "What if" Rom. 9:22!

Job 23:13-14
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
 

Robert Pate

Well-known member
Banned
False teachers such as yourself reject the Sovereignty of God over all His Creation, despising the True God and His Salvation exclusively by His Electing Grace.

Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The remnant according to Election of Grace Rom. 11:5.


And others, objects of His Wrath God designated to be condemned / cursed; predestined to hell, which shall be punished with everlasting destruction!

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.


God has the right to make His creatures for whatever Purpose He Chooses, that's the meaning of "What if" Rom. 9:22!

Job 23:13-14
But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.


You are mistaken about the sovereignty of God.

God does nothing outside of his holy, just nature and character. God cannot and will not, sin against himself or his created beings.
 

Lazy afternoon

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2. The belief that Jesus was just a man.

Jesus was God's Son before the foundation of the world, Colossians 1:15-17. Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30. If Jesus was just a man that means that he is a sinner just like us. Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves. God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man. 1. A life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. 2. A perfect atonement for man's sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Both of these requirements have been met in Jesus Christ.

Are the words of the bible not good enough for you?

You have denied that Jesus life was that of a righteous man.

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

You have said God could not raise up a man in His image, which is plain old unbelief.

LA
 
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