Debate: Biden and Trump Showed America Who They Really Are. That’s a Win for Biden.

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annabenedetti said:
At the Debate, Biden and Trump Showed America Who They Really Are. That’s a Win for Biden.
An ugly debate can be a public service.
Donald Trump was talking at Joe Biden, and Joe Biden was talking to America.

Not that we didn't know it already, but still.

Or, as Nicolle Wallace put it so well:

"Trump wasn't debating; he was lifting his leg and peeing on democracy."
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(Chuckle) - as train wrecks go, this was one of the more entertaining ones. And I never knew that "ANTIFA" wasn't an "organization" Biden should know, I guess (chuckle).
 
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We all knew what Trump is.

What America discovered last night was how badly Joe's mental decline has become.
 
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ok doser said:
We all knew what Trump is.
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Yeah. And those who vote for him twice are doing so because they know he's a racist, white supremacist dog-whistler.

What America discovered last night was how badly Joe's mental decline has become.
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Not hardly. Biden polled pretty well. He did a decent job, which is all he had to do. He was presidential, Trump was a deranged toddler-man who thought showing up and 'dominating' (or whatever else he thought his [redacted]show circus act looked like) would bring him more votes. Guaranteed it lost him votes. The viewing panel roasted him.

Joe showed people like you who expected worse (because that's what you were told before Trump's handlers panicked and told you he was experienced and well prepared), that Joe really is a decent man who's still trying to follow norms that Trump blew through long ago.
 
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Now you know. It's not an organization. It's a discrete movement without a central structure or authority. There's no antifa "official" representative or organization.
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If it wasn't an ORGANIZATION, it wouldn't have a NAME. Since it IS an organiztion, then it also has a consistent agenda of Destruction and Physical violence and murder. So, in fact it's just like Hitler's "Brownshirts".
 
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Bob Carabbio said:
If it wasn't an ORGANIZATION, it wouldn't have a NAME. Since it IS an organiztion, then it also has a consistent agenda of Destruction and Physical violence and murder. So, in fact it's just like Hitler's "Brownshirts".
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It's not an organization. You can keep telling yourself it is, but you'll be deceiving yourself.

It's not like Hitler's Brownshirts, since the Brownshirts were actually part of the Nazi party. They had an organized command, and Hitler himself led them after 1930.
 
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It's not an organization. You can keep telling yourself it is, but you'll be deceiving yourself.

It's not like Hitler's Brownshirts, since the Brownshirts were actually part of the Nazi party. They had an organized command, and Hitler himself led them after 1930.
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Suit yourself.
 
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annabenedetti said:
It's not an organization. You can keep telling yourself it is, but you'll be deceiving yourself.

It's not like Hitler's Brownshirts, since the Brownshirts were actually part of the Nazi party. They had an organized command, and Hitler himself led them after 1930.
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More like Proud Boys, who are organized and clearly obey Trump's commands. American Sturmabteilung,
 
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More like Proud Boys, who are organized and clearly obey Trump's commands. American Sturmabteilung,
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True. They have membership, rules, initiation, and leaders.

One of them said last night "Trump basically said to go [redacted] them up! this makes me so happy" to which another replied "standing by sir"
 
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From a far-right commentator:

"I am busy today doing interviews for my book, but I want to make a quick post about last night’s debate. I think it was a landmark in American history — in all the wrong ways.

It was a disgrace, and Donald Trump is almost entirely at fault.
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I expect no good things to come to us from a Biden administration.
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Having said that … my God, I never imagined I would see an American president refuse to say he would accept the results of the election if he loses. That’s our democracy, right there. That’s it. A constitutional democratic order depends on the peaceful transfer of power. Trump’s refusal simply to follow the ordinary rules of debate last night — his constant talking over Biden — symbolized his inner refusal to live by the rules that govern our constitutional order. It was repulsive and frightening. He is unfit for office.

He pointedly refused to condemn white supremacists. He disgustingly rubbed Joe Biden’s face in the fact of Hunter Biden’s drug abuse — something that I don’t believe will play well at all with most people. All of us have in our families or circles of friends someone who has struggled with drugs or alcohol. One of the things I admire about Joe Biden is that he has not disowned his failson. I think Hunter Biden’s capitalizing on his father’s power for personal gain is fair game, but for pity’s sake, don’t trash a man’s son for his brokenness with substance abuse. If they weren’t politicians, but two ordinary guys in a bar, I would have loved to have seen Joe Biden walk over and cold-**** Trump for trashing his boy.
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Trump came across as an authoritarian goon. And should Biden win, and the left continues to bring about soft totalitarianism throughout American society, all of us on the right should remember last night’s debate. (Note well that authoritarianism means a consolidation of political power in one person or party; totalitarianism is an extreme form of authoritarianism, which is the consolidation of political power in a society in which everything has been politicized.) Given the power of our enemies, our side needed a skilled fighter; we got a saloon drunk who demeans his office and our democracy. The Greeks were right: character really is destiny."
https://www.theamericanconservative....e-not-by-lies/

I don't think most people realize what a disaster this was, No matter who wins, it will take a long, long time air out American politics. The good news is that it might be the final oafish act that doom's Trump's political hopes. The bad news is, his street fighters seem ready to take on America if he loses.
 
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The Barbarian said:

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More like Proud Boys, who are organized and clearly obey Trump's commands. American Sturmabteilung,
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Practically no one has even heard of that group but the group which supports Biden is the group who is rioting and looting in the streets of American cities, specifically " Antifa."

Ben Shapiro wrote:

"Biden simply cannot condemn antifa or BLM by name because to do so would be to recognize two simple truths: first, that Trump isn’t the chief source of violence in American cities; second, that in spite of his “return to normalcy” message, Biden’s “systemic racism” narrative provides the ideological groundwork for those who seek to tear down the system. Democrats have spent months denying the violence, calling Trump a fascist for offering federal help and decrying the American system. The fruits are on full display for everyone to see. And so, Biden must bluff, and the media must cover for him.

Perhaps Biden will get away with it. Americans should hope he doesn’t.

https://www.daily-journal.com/opini...cle_45f79b8c-ed11-11ea-beef-cfb37b2ba685.html​
 
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Jerry Shugart said:
Practically no one has even heard of that group
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Trump has. And the FBI has. Trump's own director points out that right-wing terrorists are the greatest threat to America. Trump ordered them to stand down for now. And they obeyed Dear Leader:

President Trump said he doesn’t know who the Proud Boys are but told them to “stand down” as he faces bipartisan blowback for telling the far-right group to “stand back and stand by” during his debate Tuesday against Joe Biden.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/0...-boys-should-stand-down-amid-debate-backlash/

Trump brought them up, BTW. And they obeyed his command:

On websites like the right-wing social network Parler, fringe message board 4chan, and encrypted messaging app Telegram, Proud Boys members interpreted Trump’s comments as a call to action.

On one Telegram channel, a user called LO decoded the meaning of Trump’s comments:

“Stand back and stand by for when the commies start a full escalation of war and he can call on us to essentially ‘let loose the dogs of war.’”

On Parler, prominent Proud Boys member Joe Biggs echoed that sentiment: “Trump basically said to go (bleep) them up. This makes me so happy.”

(bleep), let’s go back to Portland,” a post in another Telegram channel read, referring to the rally the group held in the city this past weekend.
https://tinyurl.com/ycsjjdsh
(warning; the site has coarse profanity)

Right-wing terrorists have been killing police officers, vandalizing and burning, and trying to incite violence in peaceful demonstrations. These are just a few of the troops available to Trump, ready to do his bidding.
 
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Another Poll Shows Biden Clear Winner of Debate
September 30, 2020

A new FiveThirtyEight/Ipsos poll found debate watchers were pretty decisive in their verdict of last night’s performances: Only about one-third said Trump’s performance was “somewhat good” or “very good,” and 50% said it was “very poor.”
Biden’s performance was more positively received, with around 60% saying they thought he performed well.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/30...ner-of-debate/

Time is running out for Trump, who needs another miracle this November. Maybe he'll get another one...
 
Jerry Shugart

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Trump has.
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President Trump on Wednesday tried to clear up confusion after telling the right-wing men’s group the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” during the first presidential debate, saying he didn’t know who the group was but they should let law enforcement do their job.​

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are. I mean, you’ll have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “I can only say they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work.”

The Proud Boys, a group of “Western chauvinists” who fashion themselves the counterweight to Antifa, have sometimes espoused White supremacist and misogynistic views. They have violently clashed with left-wing demonstrators across the country.

Trump, asked by moderator Chris Wallace at the debate Tuesday if he was willing to condemn White supremacy, said, "Sure, I'm willing to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not the right-wing. I am willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

Democratic nominee Joe Biden then suggested Trump specifically condemn the far-right group Proud Boys, to which the president responded in part, "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by" – a comment that sparked outrage on social media.

"Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem,” Trump added.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-proud-boys-let-law-enforcement-work​

Biden does not want to offend his supporters from Antifa so he just said that Antifa is nothing but an "idea" and that white supremacists pose a greater danger to the country.

Biden is fooling himself if he thinks that he can convince America that white supremacists pose a greater danger to the country. America knows that it is not white supremacists who have been rioting in the streets of Portland and Seattle.

Biden is delusional if he thinks that Americans will believe his lie.

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