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DAN P

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Hi to all , and Col 3:25 reads , But the one doing wrong will receive BACK (for) what he did wrong and there is no Partiality !

#1 The first verb is HE THAT DOETH WRONG / ADIKEO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE which places places this action during the Dispensation of the Grace of God AND it is today !!

And the one doing wrong , will receive back what be has done wrong !!

#2 , The next verb is SHALL RECEIVE / KENIZO and it is a FUTURE TENSE and happens during the BEMA SEAT in heaven , 1 Cor 3:10-15 !!

#3 , This is not speaking about salvation BUT speaks to your INHERITANCE , VERSE 24 !

INHERITANCE /KIEONOMIA means Possession , Inheritance or PROPERTY !!

It look like some believers are going to suffer loss so what are you teaching that is WRONG to cause this LOSS ??

dan p
 

glorydaz

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Hi to all , and Col 3:25 reads , But the one doing wrong will receive BACK (for) what he did wrong and there is no Partiality !

#1 The first verb is HE THAT DOETH WRONG / ADIKEO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE which places places this action during the Dispensation of the Grace of God AND it is today !!

And the one doing wrong , will receive back what be has done wrong !!

#2 , The next verb is SHALL RECEIVE / KENIZO and it is a FUTURE TENSE and happens during the BEMA SEAT in heaven , 1 Cor 3:10-15 !!

#3 , This is not speaking about salvation BUT speaks to your INHERITANCE , VERSE 24 !

INHERITANCE /KIEONOMIA means Possession , Inheritance or PROPERTY !!

It look like some believers are going to suffer loss so what are you teaching that is WRONG to cause this LOSS ??

dan p

Why do you say it has to do with "teaching" rather than "doing"? :think:
 

God's Truth

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Hi to all , and Col 3:25 reads , But the one doing wrong will receive BACK (for) what he did wrong and there is no Partiality !

#1 The first verb is HE THAT DOETH WRONG / ADIKEO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE which places places this action during the Dispensation of the Grace of God AND it is today !!

And the one doing wrong , will receive back what be has done wrong !!

#2 , The next verb is SHALL RECEIVE / KENIZO and it is a FUTURE TENSE and happens during the BEMA SEAT in heaven , 1 Cor 3:10-15 !!

#3 , This is not speaking about salvation BUT speaks to your INHERITANCE , VERSE 24 !

INHERITANCE /KIEONOMIA means Possession , Inheritance or PROPERTY !!

It look like some believers are going to suffer loss so what are you teaching that is WRONG to cause this LOSS ??

dan p

The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE.

They do teach wrong here and many all over teach wrong.

They preach to believe and do not obey.

They are doing a horrific thing when they teach faith alone.

The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE:

Matthew 19:29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Luke 10:25[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
 

DAN P

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The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE.

They do teach wrong here and many all over teach wrong.

They preach to believe and do not obey.

They are doing a horrific thing when they teach faith alone.

The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE:

Matthew 19:29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Luke 10:25[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”



Hi and you should always check the Greek text and all will see that the 2 verbs #1 , SHALL RECEIVE and SHALL INHERIT are in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

Why the FUTURE TENSE IS because Israel has been set aside as Isa 6 and Luke 13:6-9 and 1 Cor 3:13-15 says what happened to Israel and the Matthew and Luke 10:25 has NOTHING to do with the Body of Christ !!

God is not YET dealing with Israel as a Nation !!

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and you should always check the Greek text and all will see that the 2 verbs #1 , SHALL RECEIVE and SHALL INHERIT are in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

Why the FUTURE TENSE IS because Israel has been set aside as Isa 6 and Luke 13:6-9 and 1 Cor 3:13-15 says what happened to Israel and the Matthew and Luke 10:25 has NOTHING to do with the Body of Christ !!

God is not YET dealing with Israel as a Nation !!

dan p

You are badly mistaken on what you say about learning another language to know God's Truth, and you are wrong about Jesus and Israel.

IT IS FINISHED.

IT IS FINISHED.

ALL IS RESTORED.

It is fulfilled.
 

DAN P

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You are badly mistaken on what you say about learning another language to know God's Truth, and you are wrong about Jesus and Israel.

IT IS FINISHED.

IT IS FINISHED.

ALL IS RESTORED.

It is fulfilled.



Hi and all you have to do is refute Luke 13 , BUT you can NOTTTTTTTT !!

dan p
 

DAN P

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What about that Chapter?


Hi and in Luke 13:6-9 is a parable about Israel !!

Verse 6 the Father finds not FRUIT !!

Then in verse 7 the dresser , which is Christ , that for 3 years , Israel has produced not fruit !!

And the Father says , cut Israel ( TREE ) DOWN !!

In verse 8 , Christ says , let me dung and dig around and lets see what happens in a year and means that Jesus ministry will last approx another years making it 4 years , before His death 11

Then in verse 9 , the Father says if it bears fruit well and if not CUT ISRAEL DOWN !!

And we k ow Israel was set aside as 2 Cor 3:13-15 , and Isa 6 !!

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and in Luke 13:6-9 is a parable about Israel !!

Verse 6 the Father finds not FRUIT !!

Then in verse 7 the dresser , which is Christ , that for 3 years , Israel has produced not fruit !!

And the Father says , cut Israel ( TREE ) DOWN !!

In verse 8 , Christ says , let me dung and dig around and lets see what happens in a year and means that Jesus ministry will last approx another years making it 4 years , before His death 11

Then in verse 9 , the Father says if it bears fruit well and if not CUT ISRAEL DOWN !!

And we k ow Israel was set aside as 2 Cor 3:13-15 , and Isa 6 !!

dan p

God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not already have faith in Him before Jesus.

God bound all to disobedience so that He could have mercy on all.
 

DAN P

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God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not already have faith in Him before Jesus.

God bound all to disobedience so that He could have mercy on all.


Hi and verse 9 the FaTHER says THOU SHALL CUT IT DOWN , easy to see and 2 Cor 3:13-15 Israel has been set aside !!

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.

Luke 8:10
He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 12:40
"He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."

Romans 11:8
as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day."

Matthew 13:14
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Mark 8:17And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember,
 

God's Truth

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God cut them off and bound them all to where the Gentiles were and are until they come to God through Jesus.


John 3:18 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Hebrews 12:11 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
 

God's Truth

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John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


There is a New Covenant.

The Old Covenant has disappeared.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.


God does NOT care any longer about who is blood related to Abraham.

John 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.



That mattered before because God was bringing Jesus into the world as one blood related to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David.

Now that Jesus has come, the only blood that matters is the blood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,

Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.

1 Peter 1:2
chosen by the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
 

Danoh

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Hi and in Luke 13:6-9 is a parable about Israel !!

Verse 6 the Father finds not FRUIT !!

Then in verse 7 the dresser , which is Christ , that for 3 years , Israel has produced not fruit !!

And the Father says , cut Israel ( TREE ) DOWN !!

In verse 8 , Christ says , let me dung and dig around and lets see what happens in a year and means that Jesus ministry will last approx another years making it 4 years , before His death 11

Then in verse 9 , the Father says if it bears fruit well and if not CUT ISRAEL DOWN !!

And we k ow Israel was set aside as 2 Cor 3:13-15 , and Isa 6 !!

dan p

So where in Acts do you view Israel was set aside?

It can't be at Acts 28.

2 Corinthians was written many years before Acts 28.

I hold they were concluded by the Law as having continued in the spiritual Uncircumcision or "heathen" idolatry of their forefathers, and set aside at Acts 7.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Romans 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Which then opened the way for...

Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

In other words, those religious Jews and Proselytes Paul was preaching to in synagogues were actually part of a system of worship that had been concluded in idolatry, and thus "under sin" with the Gentiles.

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

What did he later write to them?

1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

And what are two things that last verse mentions and are an evidence of - that are not mentioned by Luke in Acts 17?

That Paul had taught those Thessalonians he had met in those synagogues, Mystery truth, not mentioned in Acts.

In short, I hold that Israel was concluded by the Law as having continued in the spiritual Uncircumcision or "heathen" idolatry of their forefathers, and set aside at Acts 7 as being "under sin" with the Gentiles.

For as Paul had noted many years earlier, concerning the Jews...

1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So where in Acts do you view Israel was set aside?

Again, it can't be at Acts 28.

2 Corinthians was written many years before Acts 28.

Thanks,

Rom. 14: 5; in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.
 

DAN P

Well-known member
So where in Acts do you view Israel was set aside?

It can't be at Acts 28.

2 Corinthians was written many years before Acts 28.

I hold they were concluded by the Law as having continued in the spiritual Uncircumcision or "heathen" idolatry of their forefathers, and set aside at Acts 7.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Romans 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Which then opened the way for...

Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

In other words, those religious Jews and Proselytes Paul was preaching to in synagogues were actually part of a system of worship that had been concluded in idolatry, and thus "under sin" with the Gentiles.

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

What did he later write to them?

1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

And what are two things that last verse mentions and are an evidence of - that are not mentioned by Luke in Acts 17?

That Paul had taught those Thessalonians he had met in those synagogues, Mystery truth, not mentioned in Acts.

In short, I hold that Israel was concluded by the Law as having continued in the spiritual Uncircumcision or "heathen" idolatry of their forefathers, and set aside at Acts 7 as being "under sin" with the Gentiles.

For as Paul had noted many years earlier, concerning the Jews...

1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So where in Acts do you view Israel was set aside?

Again, it can't be at Acts 28.

2 Corinthians was written many years before Acts 28.

Thanks,

Rom. 14: 5; in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.


Hi and the setting aside of Israel began , when Moses had to put a VAIL on his head , then comes Isa 6 and then Luke 13:6-9 and the best one is 2 Cor 3:13-15 !!

Also 2 Cor 3:16 is all Jewish !!

Acts 28 is one of your so-called HYBRIDS and will used MIX UP and many Dispensationalist are in the MIX !!

O course there is Acts 7 and Acts 5:19 , 20 , and Israel never did REPENT !!

dan p
 
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